CONGRATS ARUNA/ALLERIAH/XULE ON SERVER FIRST RMT BAN!

[Ligma]

I agree 100% with this. However, how are you verifying that the other accounts you banned actually did RMT for said items? Did you just take Aruna's word for it or did you parse some logs?

Obviously they can see if someone actually paid plat for an item. And I would imagine they are on RMT forums.

[Purplefluffy]

Originally Posted by Ligma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously they can see if someone actually paid plat for an item. And I would imagine they are on RMT forums.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure they have parsed logs. I know of one case where the person in question is saying they paid PP in game and that it can be verified. If they have taken a look at the logs, chat logs too, then that's good enough for me and I will question no further. Would be nice to know either way and I say that from a trust point of vie with respects to said persons operating new accounts as we speak.

[Kirrund]

Originally Posted by Purplefluffy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I am not sure they have parsed logs. I know of one case where the person in question is saying they paid PP in game and that it can be verified. If they have taken a look at the logs, chat logs too, then that's good enough for me and I will question no further. Would be nice to know either way and I say that from a trust point of vie with respects to said persons operating new accounts as we speak.

Trade logs can be seen. But an interesting point is how do you differentiate someone paying lower than usual for something just because, versus RMT'ing for it behind the scenes? What about if this person gave away something as a gift?

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Kirrund [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trade logs can be seen. But an interesting point is how do you differentiate someone paying lower than usual for something just because, versus RMT'ing for it behind the scenes? What about if this person gave away something as a gift?

Ahh, it's the age old quandary: pornography versus art.

[Purplefluffy]

Originally Posted by Kirrund [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trade logs can be seen. But an interesting point is how do you differentiate someone paying lower than usual for something just because, versus RMT'ing for it behind the scenes? What about if this person gave away something as a gift?

This is a good point.

[Phaezed-Reality]

Originally Posted by Purplefluffy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point.

Because this community is very close knit and i know just about every big time rmter and so does everyone else at the top end after 10 years.

There are several people views on rmt

#1 they dont care
#2 they dont care until it effects them
#3 they care, and dont like seeing people just get an item buying it, its why we play here.

I will report any RMT i see, fortunately i have luckily after 10 years to find a guild that isnt openly half joking but you know they are serious about it over private guildchat comms, the gms play in these guilds, they know exactly whats going on, they know who repeatedly does it, and ontop of that they have methods i wont go into that very easily detect RMT, the last banwave was 170 people in one fell swoop, and allll of them where guilty.

Just know if you are going to RMT on this server, this is their brand new baby, and they are going to come down hard on you guys for being assholes. As they should. We have a great oppertunity as a community here to change the pattern, lets stop the rmt. report these people that always rise to the top and play this game as a job and have alot more fun. instead of being forced to raid for double dkp on non raid targets stacking dkp for the already lvl 50's, Anyone who's been around knows whats going on. I wont call out names, but im quite upset to see that ALREADY there is a fairly large rmt ring set up, not to mention the small list grps that wipe grps lists knowing they can kick everyone off the list and then charge for the items.


we have a real chance here, don't blow it. lets be good people for once, and don't let the biggest meanest bullies take over the server, the only reason they bully their way is because real money transactions are going on, thats the simple truth, its not cause they want to be the best. There is actually a flourishing rmt economy and it needs to stop.

The onus is not on the staff, its on the playerbase to stop enabling these people to lead your guilds, control your guild banks, and loot council, ITS THE SAME PEOPLE EVERYIME, they get caught EVERYTIME, yet they always come back and recruit people who don't know any better. Like cmon get it together. This is why I join < Dark Men of Odus", i won't play in a guild like i have in the past 10 years various guilds where its not even private information that this guy sold this guy this and that.... It's bullshit.

[shuklak]

Banning rmt is NOT classic. They need to target the seller web sites instead.

[Phaezed-Reality]

honestly im not even upset about the individual transaction, im upset that is this ALREADY happening on a fresh roll up. I'm glad the GM's were quick to react and show the server they arn't fucking around. Cause this is what makes the game unfun, that and dkp pyramid schemes like back on red where ud get double exp for going to "raids" and other "raids"

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Phaezed-Reality [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im upset that is this ALREADY happening on a fresh roll up.

I'm looking at one of the forums now. Two manastone posts, three PL services/requests, seven requests/offers of plat and one guy who wants to buy a lv30+ Druid.

Twenty six potential bans right there.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm looking at one of the forums now. Two manastone posts, three PL services/requests, seven requests/offers of plat and one guy who wants to buy a lv30+ Druid.

Twenty six potential bans right there.

Honestly i hope they manage to sell the stones and spend the dollar on a good analyst/therapist.