Sullon/Training Rules

[Envious]

I dont know what you think the experience on Tallon was like, but there was more than ample training. I used to log on Wynch and bring VS to the entrance groups. For hours.

The point is this, unenforceable rules work less well than no rules.

Who is to "define" training? What EQ PvP does not include a NPC at some point? Who pops their fraps key and comes to the forums first? When does the first cry of favoritism happen after a suspect ban? Who makes those judgement calls? What about the first time someone realizes they aggro'd the mob they are fraps'ing and posting as a train? Do they get banned out of stupidity? Do bans / trains get defined by forums faggots and a vote? Lol

Hate to break it to you clowns, but Sullon was not some bastion of hardcore gamers, it simply the drainage of all the trash from Tallon / Rallos / Vallon. I was a shitbag on Tallon, but when I asked for LnS, it was always granted. Because they were happy to get rid of me, and they KNEW I was done at that point.

Dunno, maybe all the decent players are gone and R99 will need its hand held by a never ended and rotating supply of CS GMs. I can promise you, Sirken will not be there for 4 years to wipe your asses for you.

[Xantille]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont know what you think the experience on Tallon was like, but there was more than ample training. I used to log on Wynch and bring VS to the entrance groups. For hours.

The point is this, unenforceable rules work less well than no rules.

Who is to "define" training? What EQ PvP does not include a NPC at some point? Who pops their fraps key and comes to the forums first? When does the first cry of favoritism happen after a suspect ban? Who makes those judgement calls? What about the first time someone realizes they aggro'd the mob they are fraps'ing and posting as a train? Do they get banned out of stupidity? Do bans / trains get defined by forums faggots and a vote? Lol

Hate to break it to you clowns, but Sullon was not some bastion of hardcore gamers, it simply the drainage of all the trash from Tallon / Rallos / Vallon. I was a shitbag on Tallon, but when I asked for LnS, it was always granted. Because they were happy to get rid of me, and they KNEW I was done at that point.

Dunno, maybe all the decent players are gone and R99 will need its hand held by a never ended and rotating supply of CS GMs. I can promise you, Sirken will not be there for 4 years to wipe your asses for you.

Voodoo, is that you brew?

Honestly, rules of questionable enforceability are better than no rules, and here's why: the no rules experiment was tried on VZTZ. It failed spectacularly, and people cried for the rules back after a few days of trains and people being unable to get pixels.

At least w/ the threat of bans/suspensions for training, hacking etc there will be some kind of deterrent mechanism whereby people will lose their characters if they consistently do bad shit. Sure, fraps of trains are judgment calls, but it's better than nothing.

[naez]

it costs 4 silver is it that hard to loot a couple rat whisker or a rusty dagger bros??

[Heywood]

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it costs 4 silver is it that hard to loot a couple rat whisker or a rusty dagger bros??

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[Xantille]

Originally Posted by naez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it costs 4 silver is it that hard to loot a couple rat whisker or a rusty dagger bros??

why strain yourself when you can /em blow someone for divine aura money?????? this gives you more time to DA train people.

[naez]

i peed a little bit

[Darksinga]

Back to page 2 or 3 or whatever on this thread... About the whole thing about SZ was "real" eq pvp, or RZ, etc etc...

Each of the servers had a really different experience. SZ had training/kill any one you want and I'm sure people learned some shady tactics to win at pvp, but on VZ, you really got into the whole "EQ honor" of things. You didn't attack people on mobs, you didn't bring a full group for one person, and well, you simply fought with class.

Probably why I sucked at training when Zek merged and Hate was the best at training.

[naez]

in my extensive begging career on naked female avatars i think slayin the skele is actually faster. BUT TO EACH HER OWN SIS

[Envious]

So, just out of curiosity, what does that mean for corpse flopping to a friendly?

Will that be "legal"? Or do you have to ask in zone who is near the path you will take, and then give 3 warnings before beginning the flop?

Would mobs pathing back from someone training to a zone exit be a train? Or what about a bad pull? is that now a "train"? Trying to break a camp, is that a "train"?

What about if you are trying to simply zone out, and fail, that always results in a train? Can people not train out of instances now?

Trying to run from a melee, and you aggro some shit, someone heals said melee, crap aggros, illegal?

You fight someone, fear an NPC off you, is that legal?

This is fucking stupid, I could spend all day coming up with ways to hit the "training" gray area. Introducing judgement calls is beyond fucking idiotic. If they implement a rule set for R99, I hope it works. But we all know it will not. Someone will get banned, QQ will ensue, GM favoritism b/c they think someone else aggro'd it first. Look at logs, omg, a completely different person aggro'd it, new ban inc... more QQ.

I dont think the Project 1999 dev team has enough ABA certified lawyers to write a foolproof set of rules. Your asking for shit down the road, and drama.

[naez]

Well more drama is a +, so now I am torn