Ninja looted by Zoolex

[Jigga]

NBG is bullshit, everything is greed.Greed that you want your character to be better. Does anyone need 7str to function in this game? All characters can be played with the starting gear they are given. Game is more about buffs than gear.

[Jigga]

Originally Posted by justin6764 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, AC/HP is better then STR for a tank. Obviously.

Str is better for tanks who ninja loot so they can carry all the items

[Polixenes]

Any droppable item you get NBG which might get replaced later by another NBG loot is going to end up as cash in the looter's pocket.

All those melee who got given free Yaks/FBSS at the expense of the casters in their NBG groups are going to sell those for cash or give them to their twinks once they get their Kunark upgrades. Unless they wrote down the names of the group members so they could split the cash with them 12 months later (haha) those NBG items are just ending up as greed items.

NBG has never made sense to me in 12 years of EQ.

[justin6764]

It just sucks cause my roll was so amazing vs all of their's lol

[casdegere]

This is another example of the loot rules not being well established or agreed upon followed by greedy, childish behavior. Many friend/guildees, what have you needed a healer and grouped a Druid. The Druid took exception to the ring being NBG'd. Regardless of the circumstances, everyone rolled. I don't understand a limited NBG roll. (Meaning that melees who need, roll?) I don't think that's fair. Either everyone agrees to NBG or Greed, not some quasi version of it. Partial guild groups appear to be taking advantage of people of late when it comes to loot distribution. Disclose up front how your going to screw someone over on loot drops please so that person can decide to stay or go. Not use them to make the group survivable then screw them over.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is another example of the loot rules not being well established or agreed upon followed by greedy, childish behavior. Many friend/guildees, what have you needed a healer and grouped a Druid. The Druid took exception to the ring being NBG'd. Regardless of the circumstances, everyone rolled. I don't understand a limited NBG roll. (Meaning that melees who need, roll?) I don't think that's fair. Either everyone agrees to NBG or Greed, not some quasi version of it. Partial guild groups appear to be taking advantage of people of late when it comes to loot distribution. Disclose up front how your going to screw someone over on loot drops please so that person can decide to stay or go. Not use them to make the group survivable then screw them over.

No, it's really not. Every single person in the group, including the druid, knew it was NBG. There are three different group members, Zoolex not included, that have posted in this thread saying exactly that. In the screenshot, the druid defends his roll on the basis of NBG. Everyone knew it was NBG. The rules were clearly well established. And the druid didn't even take issue with NBG. It's not like he said "I never agreed to NBG, that's unfair -- I want to roll." He tried to use NBG to narrow the roller-pool down to 2. He rolled under NBG, against the only melee in the group, and then defended it by saying he had no ring slot *roll eyes*. The rest of the group rolled afterwards on behalf of the tank to try to kill the issue.

The only issue here is whether or not a druid has a right to roll need on a Gem Encrusted Ring. A bunch of people are unnecessarily raging against NBG -- it's not the issue. NBG was agreed upon ahead of time. Whether it's a stupid system or not is immaterial. This situation is equivalent to a wizard rolling NBG on a Thick Banded Belt. It's horseshit, and everyone in the group knew it was horseshit. It had nothing to do with being guildies or friends.

All I can say is either some of you aren't keeping up with the details of this situation, or some of you need to have this happen to you in-game to understand exactly what just went down. The funny thing is, I know some of you in game, and you are NOT the type of people that would claim need on an item that is useless to your class. Which makes it all the more perplexing that you're defending it. You're the exact type of people that would get screwed by a person like OP. (That's a compliment).

[baalzy]

NBG is pure stupidity in pickup groups. Going to say it again. Everyone worked on getting that item to drop in the first place.

Just because some random J-hole didn't bother to farm for themselves and has worse gear than I do doesn't mean they should get it just because it's an upgrade for them and not one for me. I still spent time elsewhere to earn my gear, they did not, I'm entitled to a chance at recovering my time invested.

People shouldn't be automatically rewarded for being lazy about their characters. In cases where an item that could sold and used to upgrade 3-4 slots on another character you're just being a complete dick to expect somebody to just give you the item without having a fair shot at it.

I have a farming toon and can make plat to outfit my alts and will likely pass anything thats only worth a few hundred plat to somebody who can make use of it, but that's my decision to do so. If someone in the group wants to roll on it so they can sell it I don't have a problem with it either.

Also, to add to the argument of 'need'. I find myself often 'needing' more strength for carrying loot when I'm soloing then i 'need' the extra HP i get out of my adamantite ring and if I had this ring I'd probably use it just as much or more than my other ring.

[tristantio]

The GER is an item with a sale value much higher than the upgrade value in almost all scenarios (excluding a purchaser who needs a top AC item in that slot - likely not the case here as the 5ac/55hp are better).

The GER would provide more upgrades in total for a tank or a druid if it were to be sold at market value and those proceeds invested in other more modestly priced gear/upgrades.

I don't see why NBG should be used at a camp with such a specific set of drops. Do people typically camp FBSS or other high auction items as NBG?

I don't think so.

There is absolutely no question that this is going to be auctioned, and nothing is wrong with that (as that is the best use of "need" on this item as possible), however it is being auctioned by a thief, not the legitimate winner of the roll.

[Polixenes]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NBG is pure stupidity in pickup groups. Going to say it again. Everyone worked on getting that item to drop in the first place.

Just because some random J-hole didn't bother to farm for themselves and has worse gear than I do doesn't mean they should get it just because it's an upgrade for them and not one for me. I still spent time elsewhere to earn my gear, they did not, I'm entitled to a chance at recovering my time invested.

People shouldn't be automatically rewarded for being lazy about their characters. In cases where an item that could sold and used to upgrade 3-4 slots on another character you're just being a complete dick to expect somebody to just give you the item without having a fair shot at it.

I have a farming toon and can make plat to outfit my alts and will likely pass anything thats only worth a few hundred plat to somebody who can make use of it, but that's my decision to do so. If someone in the group wants to roll on it so they can sell it I don't have a problem with it either.

Also, to add to the argument of 'need'. I find myself often 'needing' more strength for carrying loot when I'm soloing then i 'need' the extra HP i get out of my adamantite ring and if I had this ring I'd probably use it just as much or more than my other ring.

I totally agree with this. You could get a character to L60 wearing patchwork and a fine steel weapon and then just waltz into loot camps and make a mockery of other players' hard work via NBG (ok I said 'hard work' but you know what I mean: they took their time to gear up their characters appropriately as they went through the levels).

To me, NBG is an unfair system of loot distribution.

As king of the server I hereby abolish NBG. That is all.

[dredge]

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