Drusella Player Agreement?

[Peener]

The general guideline that makes DS a camp is the fact that it's in a room with 7 other spawns, doesn't have a 100% drop rate on her loot, no turn in is required. From all major indicators of this mob/camp nothing about it even hints that it's even intended to be a raid mob. Its got a fixed spawn duration, no yellow text, not in a raid zone, can be solo'd, duo'd, grouped. . . Only reason the push for FTE rules is to fast track peoples way to an 100HP item without having to camp it.

I very much disagree with this bully tactic to change this rule set to suit people with better connections who use autofire. I speak as someone who doesnt have the type of connection that would allow me to ever win they type of camp, nor do i resort to that type of game play to win. If they move DS to a raid zone, give her yellow text and add a window, sure, lets fte rule it, but you cant be past zone line when she spawns or your DQ'd. Since that isnt happening, a camp she shall remain.

No one's claiming DS is a raid mob. I'm simply asking how she differs from Verina Tomb or Vessel Drozlin for the enchanter epic. Both of these mobs have their own windows and no placeholders, and both are FTE.

Why is DS treated differently? Is it just the variance?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Magerin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The general guideline that makes DS a camp is the fact that it's in a room with 7 other spawns, doesn't have a 100% drop rate on her loot, no turn in is required. From all major indicators of this mob/camp nothing about it even hints that it's even intended to be a raid mob. Its got a fixed spawn duration, no yellow text, not in a raid zone, can be solo'd, duo'd, grouped. . . Only reason the push for FTE rules is to fast track peoples way to an 100HP item without having to camp it.

I very much disagree with this bully tactic to change this rule set to suit people with better connections who use autofire. I speak as someone who doesnt have the type of connection that would allow me to ever win they type of camp, nor do i resort to that type of game play to win. If they move DS to a raid zone, give her yellow text and add a window, sure, lets fte rule it, but you cant be past zone line when she spawns or your DQ'd. Since that isnt happening, a camp she shall remain.

Lol if a couple posts that raise a discussion considered bullying...

Back to DS, the 7 mobs in room, no turn in or the drop rate have nothing to do w defining her as a camp. Sure that makes life easier on those doing the quest who have to kill her likely multiple times to get the quest drop but how is that different than other quests on p99 that you try and try again at. See Scout and Ring roll, two other long duration spawn npcs that people basically only get 1 shot at per day. Theres nothing to clear for those but no one can “camp” Scout or Gloridain.

Stop confusing FTE and yellow text w meaning its a raid mob of some sorts. Stormfeather had yellow text at one point, a lvl 30 ish mob. You can have FTE rules be present with a plethora of situations not involving raid mobs and guess what not all these situations shouldnt be turned into “camps” either just bc theres no raid requirement attached.

[Bbeta]

I vote for list. haha

[aaezil]

Also what you remember from live or how it “used to be” here is completel irrelevant - all that matters is how things work now (i remember the avg level being 40 in velious era and its 60 here. I remember camp rules being whoever got xp got loot rights even for raid mobs. I remember no clickies. I remember nobody knowing about recharging. Doesnt mean thats the way its ever gonna be here.)

[Peener]

Lucan spawns on his own. No ph. Yet hes a camp and you need to clear his room to have any claim to it. Drusella is the same way. (Or should be if isnt currently)

This was helpful. Thank you.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Peener [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was helpful. Thank you.

Lucan wasnt always a camp on P99 neither was DS. Someone arbitrarily declared Lucan as a camp one day despite nothing about it resembling an Everquest camp besides the simple “waiting” part.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lucan wasnt always a camp on P99 neither was DS. Someone arbitrarily declared Lucan as a camp one day despite nothing about it resembling an Everquest camp besides the simple “waiting” part.

Will repeat just cause it “used to be different” doesnt mean thats the way it works today. That “someone” you are referencing was a gm who was tired of people rules lawyering/bickering about lucan ( People arguing hes fte) and just said heres how it is.

So looks like the options are go thru the same thing as what went on with lucan which will lead gms to the same exact ruling or just go with the obvious precedent from the beginning. I know which im choosing!

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will repeat just cause it “used to be different” doesnt mean thats the way it works today. That “someone” you are referencing was a gm who was tired of people rules lawyering/bickering about lucan ( People arguing hes fte) and just said heres how it is.

So looks like the options are go thru the same thing as what went on with lucan which will lead gms to the same exact ruling or just go with the obvious precedent from the beginning. I know which im choosing!

So why is DS different, no one but players who wish to sit there for 12+ hours feels it should be a camp. Like Scout etc one day it just took enough people agreeing w how the spawn should be handled.

[Teppler]

If you're holding down mobs and maintaining a presence in a room, you are holding that room as a camp. If a rare 24 hour mob spawns in that room that you are holding, it should be yours. It would be a major encroachment for anyone else to come in that room and start killing as long as you are keeping things down in a time sensitive manner.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're holding down mobs and maintaining a presence in a room, you are holding that room as a camp. If a rare 24 hour mob spawns in that room that you are holding, it should be yours. It would be a major encroachment for anyone else to come in that room and start killing as long as you are keeping things down in a time sensitive manner.

No one shows up to demand that the player leaves the room tho, nor will anyone try to “claim” the mobs you have been killing.

But an npc that manifests on its on is rarely something that players can claim as theirs just by sitting there. You cant claim VT, VD, Gloridain, Scout Charisa, Ragefire, Phinny, Estrella etc etc as a camp. Do people claim angry or shady goblin as camps? What about Venril Sathirs remains?

You guys love picking and choosing when camping rules apply and how they arbitrarily can be applied.