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Originally Posted by hobart
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You're making multiple points, trying to combine them, and doing so poorly.
The complete answer would be tl;dr. So a few points:
I'm not for open borders. No one, statistically, is for "open borders". Knowing a sea-to-sea wall (that Mexico was supposed to pay for) is a waste of money =/= being for open borders.
Read what Rep. Will Hurd says about the border wall. He's a former CIA agent and Republican congressman. Or as Fox News calls him because he tries to inject reason into the emotional racist dogwhistle issue, a liberal....
Walls work in some areas where urban areas brush up to urban areas and where border agents can respond quickly. We already have a lot of those sections. I'm for more walls in those types of areas if truly needed, but putting a wall in the middle of Big Bend National Park just to placate the simpletons who support a simpleton President is a terrible idea.
Some corporations (those that employ low-skill workers) certainly love dodging our laws on illegals. You're kinda making that point, so on this we agree. The way to fix it is eVerify, aggressive investigation, wallet-crushing fines, and criminal prosecution for violations as well as rewards for whistleblowers.
As for your point on wages, skips over a lot of factors. Has less to do with immigration than other issues.
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(((CIA and republican in congress))) eh? I'm sure he has something worthwhile for us all as Americans.
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Walls have been insanely effective throughout history and will continue to be so.
Say this with me now. 5 billion for a border wall is a single drop water compared to the ocean when you look at the context of our yearly budget. When we know this to be a truth, the idea of being against the border wall is unfathomable unless you have other loyalties somewhere else.
Do you have a door on your house? Car? Do you have walls on your house? If walls are ineffective, why do you have these?
I challenge you to go to a low class area, buy or rent and expensive car. Leave doors open, windows open, keys clearly left inside for people to see. Leave for a while. See if you're happy with the results. You won't be so happy when the property being stolen from you is a little more personal. Well America as a land and infrastructure belongs to us US citizens. Whether or not someone is personally stealing your car or stealing resources from all Americans is the same crime to me. Deserves the same punishment. Maybe worse for the illegal immigrant because I consider crimes against the state worse than personal crimes committed against others.
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