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06-22-2018, 12:01 AM
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I feel you to some degree Vormotus in regards to your comment on legalism. It's honestly not that new I think.
I think sin is something that "hurts" us. In a spiritual sense. I've thought a fair bit about it, considering myself as a sinful abomination in God's eyes. However there's a lot of room for translation and interpretation of sin, and God, and God's plan. It's not a binary construct. Sin is analog. Analogue. It's meant to be that way. When we are sinning we are doing harm in the eyes of God. We are beloved of him, so obviously what harms us, or his creation that we are a part of is sin. Sometimes that's not so obvious. So we need a story, or history, or experience, given us by God to help figure out what is harmful. Now, less intelligent people tend to innately seem to lack an ability to better ones self. The get rejected so they drink. Or spend all their money. Or lust after what their friend has that they don't. These people don't want to serve God or his creation. They are unaware of it. They don't know how to use their experience in creating virtue. A better world. Or at least trying to live better lives in the sense that they are respectful and grateful for life. The very ability to feel gratitude and receive grace IMO from God is in a way a blessing. We can't achieve this through sin. We must do what we are here to do. Otherwise we are going against God and sinning. In doing so, even if we are still conscious we experience a kind of death. We lack the grace to appreciate God's creation and a bright heavenly future extending beyond us. Virtue on the other hand is the opposite of sin. It is the perfection of life. Care for that life, and that which that life is a part of and belongs to. That's why it's virtuous to help the elderly by cooking meals for them. Or to see that your buddy makes it home to his kids if there's a particularly dangerous mission to volunteer for. Now intelligent people see this big picture thinking innately and regardless of the rules, or what it says in some silly translation of a translated book, and they do what is right because they see all this. They are successful at this. Intelligence is useless without care, but it's impossible to care without seeing the value in it. Some people are just basic and all about instant gratification. They lack the enlightenment. They are unsuccessful and more like stones. They are the environment. In a way this is sinful because God tells us to be alive. The God force whatever you want to call it. That we should care and expend effort outside of our basic instinct to fuck and eat and kill. That doesn't really separate these people and make them Godless. They're still here, and it's the job of the virtuous to help raise these people up out of sin. Anyway. There's my take on it. Sinners aren't anything special. What's special is virtue and those angels blessed with God's enlightenment. They move us to step out of sin and into God's universe. One he graciously shares with us through the gift of free will. The choice to follow our basic impulses and sin. Or the choice to seek something bigger than ourselves and our own personal gratification. Once we take the first step it becomes clear the gifted are very often virtuous in that they help to elevate all of us along with them. | ||
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06-23-2018, 10:23 PM
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Yes, I totally love this ... You are welcome to our group if you ever travel abroad. Magnificent visualization! Back on topic, yes, I understand where you are coming from. But , and there is always one, I am now stuck on the why you believe yourself to be an abomination, a sinful one at that in the eyes of the Divine? What leads you, after explaining your concept of sin so uniquely , to lather yourself in it by describing your very existence like that? I feel I cannot progress further in this point if I failed to understand your self-description ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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06-24-2018, 12:55 AM
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Vormotus, It's a hypothetical. I suppose I haven't really sat down and made a concrete rationalization about it. I suppose deep down inside I may actually feel like I'm impure or satanic or aberrant some. Is that simply because I've heard it so much echoed outside though? I still make a distinction from my self and higher self and the self that is the "everything". I haven't chosen to focus all my attention to the whole self at the expense of my classical self. I've kinda explored all these concepts, but I'm unwilling to really hold on to one over the other. As a mortal being with a sense of individuality, I take that into account. Because here I am. I have this one life to live, at least from this perspective. Sorry for the morbid thoughts. Part of it has to do with analyzing my own free will. Whatever is embodied here, physically in me, what I've learned and think, we all take in our environments. So how much of "me" is really me, and how much is all that pagan or satanic symbolism that is so pervasive throughout our society, in advertising, in designs, DC is amazing. It's full of external stuff architecurally, and in layout that people absorb, but don't realize. It ties into the nature vs nurture argument. Which are we? We are a bit of the divine, the pure, abomination, our environment, a mixture of everything. It's how we are connected. It's an abtract way of looking at the world or self I think. No one is simply just a product of their environment. No one is entirely trapped by their nature. It's basic to settle on one or the other and just surrender our entire perspective and consciousness to a singular ideal. Even God is presented in a complex way. I think the idea is to follow this example, and I think even Jesus is an embodiment of this. | ||||
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06-24-2018, 02:32 PM
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You practically answer all of your questions flawlessly, which leads me to think you need someone to simply validate them as a step to move forward. Personally I do not even think you need validation at all, you just need someone to talk to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Have you tried recently going into therapy? Or if you did was your interaction poor? You mention being or living near DC, a quick google search led me to see there are some Lacanianism representatives there. It might be frustrating at first, but I believe you could get a lot out the Lacan approach for Psychotherapy, my two cents worth to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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06-24-2018, 03:53 PM
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Yeah, I think you maybe misunderstood what I am trying to say.
There's not a singular ideology that is a catch all solution or step forward for us collectively or as individuals. If we only ever pick up hammers, we become hammerdins, everything is a nail. I'm reluctant to advocate a singularity. I understand what Lacanism is. It's interesting. And I may look into it. Stuff is tools. Different tools achieve different results. I'm not sure what tools to use, so your suggestion is helpful. Sorry if my English is really weird. Native speakers hate my guts lol. I'm grateful to have people to talk to. Or at. Lol. Thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | ||
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