What is your most elitist Everquest viewpoint?

[Wonkie]

infidel is more correct than agnostic. eq gods clearly exist in eq.

hope this helps

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

[Wonkie]

because there's already a word for that

[Squabbles123]

I'm pretty easy going on p99, but I think the most annoying thing is people hogging cash camps.

As a high 40's shaman who prefers to just log in and solo for a few hours here and there, when I get 2 Giant spawns in Rathe I'm super happy about it....

And when a level 60 shows up and grabs every single giant alive (plus my spawns if I'm not fast enough to grab them first) and tags them all and root rots them all with 1 spell.

Well, that kinda ruins my day. You're 60 FFS, there isn't a better cash camp for you then these giants that still give me EXP?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Agnostic makes MORE sense in EQ. Norrath is saturated in magic and the supernatural. Any mortal can become a being of incredible power. The 'gods' are also incredibly powerful beings, but not beyond reproach. The line between mortal and god blurs.

I can see how a woke young adventurer could be apprehensive to a god's godliness, fallible as gods are and with so many gods competing for attention.

[Rygar]

I am judgmental about people who play for years but don't research at least one solid submission to make the project more classic. People like that lazy punk Manasana (shots fired!)

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Jenithia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes I get annoyed when people ask for help with epics in guild chat. I'm never actually doing anything worthwhile that I can't drop and go help, but I just don't feel like it. Sometimes I'll /q out to avoid the guilt trips.

It's not elitist to be allergic to guilt-trips, it's rational to resist emotional abuse.

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

Yes.... but no.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic

1 a : the use of means (such as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces
b : magic rites or incantations

2 a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source Both pitchers, although they are older, haven't lost their magic.
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
all the mystery, magic and romance which belong to royalty alone —J. E. P. Grigg

3 : the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand entertained with acts of jugglery and magic

and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic

1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

2 : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something (political agnostics)

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words have meanings dude.

Agnosticism in Everquest makes absolutely no sense.
Even in regards to Jimjam's response (which makes more sense), you could argue that Agnostics don't commit to the knowledge of any godly entity above the Everquest gods, but that doesn't make the current gods less godly, they create life. On that point though, the definition of "God" is much more vague than Magic or Agnostic, so fine, i'll concede that point to Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I stand by my 'elitist' view that anyone playing an Agnostic character fails at EQ tho :P

[Nagoya]

Yep, I agree.
If I had been on the creative room in that meeting, I would have suggested:
Skeptic, Dissenter, Heretic, Pagan or Blasphemous. Agnostic makes no sense.

It's never too late to reroll Filbus! The server is not going anywhere ^^

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

True true, I stand corrected, but still I feel it is a bit of a jaded disposition rp wise, but then again using the definition as it is , can give a new twist to people that choose Agnostic, and broadens the Katta and Vah Shir Spiritual context within the mythos

But I always felt wrong about it, due to the afterlife and how it is handled.

Loose spirits roam, hence why the Vah Shir have such strong animistic tendencies, but I still feel they should have been able to worship Luclin, even in her presumed state.

The Afterlife as seen in the game kinda blows, as unaffiliated spirits end up shackled and tormented or are forced to roam mindlessly . Only very powerful necromancers get a shot at true sentient immortality, the rest are ... well, in torment like the State of Unrest clearly shows, but my opinion is that being Agnostic forces you to roam Norrath at the beck and call of shamans and necromancers after you die [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are some if I recall correctly, other powerful spirits that remain bound to Norrath, serving as protectors and are not evil, but you end up shackled still.

At least some of the norrath gods offer succour , and even today Rodcet Nife still weirds me out, wonder what an afterlife with him as a patron would be like, because he is one of the few gods of norrath that came from somewhere else, perhaps he knows that death and the afterlife are very nihilistic for some souls.

Hehe.

So yeah, I still feel Agnostic is kinda odd within the universe (outside of ease of game mechanics and factioning of course)[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]