Raid Rotation

[Dman2701]

If you can't get raid targets with 2 earthquakes a month than your not a raid guild and don't belong in any discussions involving raiding.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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There are far more guilds getting mobs every month than the 2 years previous.

Kk so at the start of Velious you had these guilds actively killing Velious mobs weekly with no rotations, and less repops.

BDA
Divinity
Rampage
Forsaken
Asgard
Taken
CSG

These days you have

Aftermath
Tempest?
CSG
Paradigm Shift

And these days it seems Europa, and Omni really only do repop mobs, or rotated mobs due to top guilds being suspended.

Blood Guard, Kittens, Anonymous aren't actively competing, and this is nothing against those guilds, there is certainly a place on the server for guilds like them.

As Velious has progressed it has become more, and more unfriendly to the casual playerbase, the only reason poopsocking is at an all time low is because the top guilds are suspended a large portion of the time. Outside of those suspensions though to be able to FTE 1 Dragon in ToV you need at roughly 5 people to be able to pull the target, and then another 6 or so to be on and ready at a moments notice for an incoming dragon. By comparison during 1 hour lock outs you needed 1 person.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kk so at the start of Velious you had these guilds actively killing Velious mobs weekly with no rotations, and less repops.

BDA Vindi? Maybe
Divinity Cant think of one thing they killed. Maybe a random Telk / Gozz
Rampage
Forsaken
Asgard Was killing Severilous on launch day and Class C Scraps
Taken Poop Socked VS, killed nothing else
CSG Wasn't competing very much after Class System

These days you have

Aftermath
Tempest?
Azure Guard
Euromni
Blood Guard
Paradigm Shift

Point being: guilds that existed at the launch of Velious does not mean they were killing things in Velious (BDA, Taken, CSG). Guilds that exist today actually kill mobs in Velious.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Metham [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't stand this notion that persists that rotations are necessary to spread the wealth. The bulk of A/A are not getting bis 2nd and third alts. Im still on my first 60, i have arguably 3 bis items but no epic. Ive been with AM for well over a year, by definition im casual. Why is my epic or ring ten less important than yours even though your guilds dont show up but bellyache about not being able to compete. Why should i have to rotate chances at pixels i want when im out here trying to get stuff done. You want it, come get it, end the rotation talk, no free loot button.

Except for the one you press to login to P99.

You don't need 3 BIS items on your char, let alone 1. Why do you deserve them more than someone else? Because you were first to the buffet line? Rotations don't make the loot free. There isn't any more loot dropping with a rotation. What effective difference does it make to you whether you have 3 BIS vs 1 BIS and two others having 1 BIS each? You are still playing the same game against the same content with the same outcomes. Why does being sleep deprived and being on call for pixels make you more entitled?

If it's about getting inspects in EC, pro-tip: you can do that with a set of bamboo armor from Warrens.

Besides, don't kid yourself. You're already standing in line for pixels in your own guild, except you're not going to have any chance at the very best pixels for years if you're playing casual as you say. At least in Clue you can /random for them and get a good night's sleep.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point being: guilds that existed at the launch of Velious does not mean they were killing things in Velious (BDA, Taken, CSG). Guilds that exist today actually kill mobs in Velious.

You're clearly just misrepresenting the current raid scene because it benefits your guilds dominance.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't single tank AoW with 1 BIS item.

With 60+ people, I'm sure you can find another tank.

Besides, your argument here is an argument for getting easier loot, which has always been the argument against rotations.

[Nibblewitz]

Rotations are shit. That's why I forced BDA's hand to blow up the rotation.

[Metham]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except for the one you press to login to P99.

You don't need 3 BIS items on your char, let alone 1. Why do you deserve them more than someone else? Because you were first to the buffet line? Rotations don't make the loot free. There isn't any more loot dropping with a rotation. What effective difference does it make to you whether you have 3 BIS vs 1 BIS and two others having 1 BIS each? You are still playing the same game against the same content with the same outcomes. Why does being sleep deprived and being on call for pixels make you more entitled?

If it's about getting inspects in EC, pro-tip: you can do that with a set of bamboo armor from Warrens.

Besides, don't kid yourself. You're already standing in line for pixels in your own guild, except you're not going to have any chance at the very best pixels for years if you're playing casual as you say. At least in Clue you can /random for them and get a good night's sleep.

You're right, i am aleeady in line in my own guild, and i get plenty of sleep. So why should i want the line to get longer by agreeing to rotate with guilds that dont even try to compete anyway. Its not an entitlement issue either, no one deserves a free bis item. Doesnt matter if youre on first, fourth, or your 3rd 60 alt, come put the work in.

[pogs4ever]

had raid rotations in 99 on Rathe Server, was fun.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by pogs4ever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

had raid rotations in 99 on Rathe Server, was fun.

yup thank you. I was also on rathe during vanilla - velious and rotation worked just fine