playing a monk who doesnt pull

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats cos, while charming is largely optimal, an enchanter can still juggle half a dozen important and time consuming jobs instead of charming.

A monk that isn't pulling is juggling his auto attack (and hopefully a kick button).

That said, I've noticed many non-pulling monks rarely launch their special attacks.

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[kjs86z]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats cos, while charming is largely optimal, an enchanter can still juggle half a dozen important and time consuming jobs instead of charming.

A monk that isn't pulling is juggling his auto attack (and hopefully a kick button).

That said, I've noticed many non-pulling monks rarely launch their special attacks.

I just don't see charming as optional.

Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.

[Legidias]

I always force chanters in HHK gob group to grab Osargen.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't see charming as optional.

Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.

This depends on the group composite.

If the group has a bunch of melee and is hasting everyone, as well as CCing, as well as slowing, then give the chanter a break he doesn't need to be charming shit too.

I have also been in groups where the dps is so strong we don't need a charmed pet, in fact that's just one more mob not spawning for XP if it were charmed.

If the group needs dps, and other responsibilities are not spreading the chanter too thin then sure, expecting the chanter to hold a pet for dps is completely understandable but there are some circumstances where this just isn't the case.

Comparing a chanter not holding a pet to a monk not pulling is just dumb. Please concede this argument is utterly ridiculous.

[Spyder73]

I pull the MM castle for a bit on my Druid again yesterday, pretty much better than any monk I have seen do it in the last 10 levels I been there. Harmony + root + self heals + level 1 nuke... owned the place with a nice steady stream of uninterrupted 1's and 2s. Had the pace down to such a point where we had cleared out the Gypsy room and the entire CY and I was up in the bedrooms b4 repops

I am however one of the best pullers on the entire server in a small group situation so I cant really fault the monks I out did (have leveled monk/bard/sk previously to 50-60 - turns out you pull most of the time on these classes)

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't see charming as optional.

Its too strong not to do. I suppose if said enchanter is going to need to be AFK a lot, etc...I'd understand. Overall, enchanters that refuse to charm are usually just lazy or incompetent.

At higher levels you are right, at lower levels Enchanters don't have all the tools yet and if you are getting huge pulls every time I can see how having a charm is just not feasible without getting your ass whipped. Its a little easier to handle charm breaks when you have Planar Gear + Heroic Bond + Symbol + Rune Vs. being level 37 and having 700hps total

-50 and 50+ are different games for many classes (Enchanter/Necro particularly)

[mefdinkins]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am however one of the best pullers on the entire server in a small group situation so I cant really fault the monks I out did (have leveled monk/bard/sk previously to 50-60 - turns out you pull most of the time on these classes)

wow very strong!

[fadetree]

On the chanter subject, it can be chancy to CC and buff AND run a hyped up killing machine that hates you really, really, bad. I have seen groups complain at the chanter about charming, so then he or she starts charming..massive DEEPS! Things go ok at first but there's a bad pull by the rogue who is pulling because the monk refuses to pull and the chanter gets busy and his lil' buddy gets free and eats face and then they all die.
Also often in a grind group you kill all the handy merbs before next respawn anyways and the charmed mob just makes standing around waiting last longer.
So..unless you are REALLY GOOD at it, I'd rather you just CC and buff and do those two items well. You can pull your jabober out if you want, it's actually a pretty good DOT hasted and dual weaponed.

[Jimjam]

One strat I respect in an enc is to not take a standing pet, but when pulls come in charm one mob, set it on a second mob and let the group beat up the third.

That way the enc are CCing two mobs with one charm.

OP: note pulling doesn't have to mean spending ages getting single pulls.

The best monks are happy to bring in a couple of mobs at a time and let CC deal with it. Post sneaknerf, the monk advantage is being able to FD to drop aggro on a bad pull, rather than autistically spend 5 minutes making a single pull.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The best monks are happy to bring in a couple of mobs at a time and let CC deal with it. Post sneaknerf, the monk advantage is being able to FD to drop aggro on a bad pull, rather than autistically spend 5 minutes making a single pull.

My favorite class to pull on is warrior!

I grabbed up as many mobs as I can and run them all to the group leaving it up to the CC to manage the mess. Want me to hold aggro? Better root mobs too!