NET NUTRALITY REPEAL CELEBRATION THREAD

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Possibly. Monopolies tend to be tolerated when they provide value and essential service. That tolerance is granted in exchange for heavy oversight given how essential the service is. The problem we have now is that ISPs are beginning to form a vertical monopoly like Standard Oil did under Rockefeller. They not only control the means of distribution, they have a stake in its production and consumption as well. This is basic economics, and these types of monopolies are incredibly dangerous to the general public.

One difference, though, is one would assume that natural behavior for a monopoly would be to restrict output and jack up the price. This wasn't true at all with Standard oil, as output continued to grow and prices went down. Same thing happened with ALCOA.
Comcast, however, a government granted monopoly certainly is guilty of that.

[JurisDictum]

This is all basically to get us to pay $15 per Music Album or Movie again. They want to slowly get rid of youtube and netflix and any other stream site. Or at very least -- monopolize all streaming on those sites so the price jack can ensue.

This is all kinds of fucked up. I just...I don't even have the energy to get into how stupid it is to greet this development with anything but contempt. The internet is the only god damn reason the elites have started to lose their grip at all. But I can see that is all about to come to an end if people are not mobilized around this issue.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First, we did in a sense. There was a bit of a regulatory cold war. The short of it is that the law was somewhat ambiguous and most carriers were unwilling to skirt the line because that could trigger a court battle which would define where the line actually was. They stood to lose a lot, so the threat of the FCC's hammer coming down was generally enough to keep the status quo. There were still plenty of violations though.

As Sage mentioned, this changed majorly in 2014 with the Verizon suit.

Here's a few of the major violations of NN principles compiled courtesy of Reddit user /u/Skrattybones:



So, yes, it's already happened.



Possibly. Monopolies tend to be tolerated when they provide value and essential service. That tolerance is granted in exchange for heavy oversight given how essential the service is. The problem we have now is that ISPs are beginning to form a vertical monopoly like Standard Oil did under Rockefeller. They not only control the means of distribution, they have a stake in its production and consumption as well. This is basic economics, and these types of monopolies are incredibly dangerous to the general public.

yeah considering the amount of federal money comcast has taken for running fiber they never ran anywhere id say these vertical monopolies aren't good for the consumer/taxpayer/anyone so maybe you should never have to be making a decision between fcc control or 1-2 isps controlling internet in the us in the first place?

[Pokesan]

the elites started to lose control?

*points to billionaire president*

your dumb!!

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the elites started to lose control?

*points to billionaire president*

your dumb!!

I'm talking more thought control in this context. The billionaire president can be thanked for driving the point home.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm talking more thought control in this context. The billionaire president can be thanked for driving the point home.

you mean like bots promoting marxism on social media? that sort of thought control?

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean like bots promoting marxism on social media? that sort of thought control?

That's different -- it's education.

[skarlorn]

Why don't more independent ISPs start up? seriously?

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't more independent ISPs start up? seriously?

I don't have any details. But its known that the regulation is kind of like a battle -- you have to buy in by bringing in deep pockets if you want to seriously challenge Comcast and Verizon.

[Raavak]

There are smaller local ISPs in my area, but not nearly as many as there once was.