Rules Clarification Request

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well it is very concerning that fandango was suspended for training based on the video that symbiotic posted

it is even more concerning that after thoroughly explaining how the video actually proves that fandango was not the person who trained the mobs into the HoT zoneout room, cylock immediately dismisses it saying "this is our ruling."

he either simply does not understand aggro mechanics (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban), or he is unwilling to admit that he is wrong (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban)

it is compounded by the fact that he does things like going into visible ogre form while partially blocking a narrow zoneline, followed by deathtouching people in the middle of a PvP fight because they're telling him that he is stupid for doing something like that, as it got someone killed when they were trying to zone; his reasoning? "they were messaging me in tells shit talking me"

this demonstrates that his solution to a player lashing out at him is not to simply mute and/or ignore them, but kill them and risk swaying the tide of a PvP engagement; having thin skin while trying to police this community will only end poorly (see: Derubael)

even moreso, he's frequently consulting someone like Braknar for advice on rule interpretation, aka someone who also has no idea how EQ PvP works along with very little history enforcing PvP-specific rules on this server, as evident by informing people that they're allowed to kill members of a guild who are participating in force LNS, even though force LNS has never worked that way, and suspending people for dispelling raid mobs on in-range-to-PvP characters, which has been explicitly stated by Sirken and Llandris to be legal for several years now

cylock seemed to be a very good thing for this server, but if he does not figure out how things have worked and should work around here, he will end up doing more harm than good

Didn't read but would vote to free fandango based on this guy track record on understanding of eq pvp mechanics.

[Ivah]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if cylock truly wants to help the server, he will educate himself on red99 mechanics and rule.

Breaking hide, sneak, and feign is now against the rules. Just gonna throw this out there "This us a red server. Red things happen."

[Samaritan]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if cylock truly wants to help the server, he will educate himself on red99 mechanics and rules

then, he needs to step back and stop using this as a popularity and attention outlet

[Mingo]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if cylock truly wants to help the server, he will educate himself on red99 mechanics and rules

then, he needs to step back and stop using this as a popularity and attention outlet

Vanity has been a defining characteristic and downfall of many of the csr staff in the history of Red99. Hopefully Cylock can avoid this pitfall for the sake of all of your elven fun.

[hatelore]

Sounds like this new guide is half retarded. yikes.

[hatelore]

I knew shit was going downhill the moment I heard about that ruling of breaking fd in pvp or breaking hide/sneak was against the rules. the fuck these guys never played a red server before?

[shokar]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I knew shit was going downhill the moment I heard about that ruling of breaking fd in pvp or breaking hide/sneak was against the rules. the fuck these guys never played a red server before?

is this real

[Ivah]

Originally Posted by shokar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is this real

That was the last ruling I heard from cylock. Maybe someone who was in Hot that day can chime in

[Retticus]

I sure hope that's not real

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well it is very concerning that fandango was suspended for training based on the video that symbiotic posted

it is even more concerning that after thoroughly explaining how the video actually proves that fandango was not the person who trained the mobs into the HoT zoneout room, cylock immediately dismisses it saying "this is our ruling."

he either simply does not understand aggro mechanics (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban), or he is unwilling to admit that he is wrong (very bad for someone with the power to suspend/ban)

it is compounded by the fact that he does things like going into visible ogre form while partially blocking a narrow zoneline, followed by deathtouching people in the middle of a PvP fight because they're telling him that he is stupid for doing something like that, as it got someone killed when they were trying to zone; his reasoning? "they were messaging me in tells shit talking me"

this demonstrates that his solution to a player lashing out at him is not to simply mute and/or ignore them, but kill them and risk swaying the tide of a PvP engagement; having thin skin while trying to police this community will only end poorly (see: Derubael)

even moreso, he's frequently consulting someone like Braknar for advice on rule interpretation, aka someone who also has no idea how EQ PvP works along with very little history enforcing PvP-specific rules on this server, as evident by informing people that they're allowed to kill members of a guild who are participating in force LNS, even though force LNS has never worked that way, and suspending people for dispelling raid mobs on in-range-to-PvP characters, which has been explicitly stated by Sirken and Llandris to be legal for several years now

cylock seemed to be a very good thing for this server, but if he does not figure out how things have worked and should work around here, he will end up doing more harm than good

I like some of the new rulings for small group/solo stuff because they work in my favor while I am farming.

But Mass PvP ?? I can see some problems here that need to be clarified, especially with regards to past rulings and the rules not being consistent with what the players have been used to since Velious launched. Changing the dispel rule back to the Amelinda hatchet job doesn't seem like the best idea, since you can dispel something to save for your force and kill it MUCH later. THIS IS NOT BLUE, THERE ARE NO ROTATIONS. THERE IS NO FTE. ITS NOT THEIR MOB. IF YOU CAN PREVENT A MOB FROM BEING KILLED THAT IS PVP.

Why should you need the force RIGHT NOW? That is my biggest issue.

If the dispeller is IN RANGE to be able to be stopped from saving the mob from dying, why shouldn't he be allowed to save it?

Even if you wanted Cylock's rule, The SPIRIT OF HIS OWN RULE would make enforcement action on dispel on a PvP server only legit if the offenders guild/force/team never materialized/doesn't exist at all and the guild he represents never kill the mob, and its obvious that it was being done 100% to prevent the guild from killing it for the grief factor.

That doesn't fly either, because in Force VS Force PvP, by denying raid targets this prevents the enemy from acquiring gear and improving their advantage over the other force.

Dispelling is legitimate PvP as long as they are stoppable by PvP for the aforementioned reasons.

You need to have a summit and think this through, and not just wing it.