A Beginner's Guide to the P1999 Raid Scene?

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fastboy, cmon. He found ACTUAL POSTS ON THE INTERNET, and thus cannot be contradicted. If he were to allow that some people might have different memories and that maybe things are not totally black and white, then we'd be all confused. Personally, I had no idea that my memories of the 9 years I spent playing on live were so faulty, and I am just glad he has shown me the truth. And obviously, trying to make fine points about the difference between 'implemented at all' and 'implemented with success' are just silliness. HE FOUND ACTUAL POSTS.

And I think the fact that you don't get that he is not actually saying that 'you ARE an idiot', as opposed to 'you ACT like an idiot' is not a personal attack means you don't understand how language works. For instance, if I were to say that 'Ikon *is* an overbearing pseudo-intellectual that thinks his leet research skills prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt and that no-one else even has a legitimate reason to doubt him', rather than 'Ikon *ACTS* like an overbearing pseudo-intellectual that thinks his leet research skills prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt and that no-one else even has a legitimate reason to doubt him', that one little change would mean I was personally attacking him.

I am now trying to find posts on the internet that claim that the world is flat and lizard people live in the center. Oh look! Here's some -
http://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
Wow they have a whole wiki and tons of research! WHO KNEW. I better get in touch with the physics community and let them know they are all wrong.

Fadetree:

I can assure you that this will never happen here. It is, sadly, not classic. This server is not about what EQ should have been, it's about what it was.

Why are you here? That 'shitty' coding is the entire point of this. It's about recreating what EQ was, not about how fun you, or any of us, think it is.

Facts are:

Two of the posts I linked were from Gordon Wrinn - Verants official community liason for Everquest and later associate producer of Everquest. Those links were official correspondence between Gordon and the EQ community regarding the PnP.

Another post I linked was from Tweety, a guide that snapped who mentions several times the frustrations with having to enforce the PnP.

The other links are posts from approximately 60+ players on various servers discussing the PnP policy and how it worked, how it sucked, how it wasn't fair - none were saying it wasn't implemented, they were saying the opposite, it was implemented and a number said it worked and the game was better for it.

Now lets compare,

Fadetree and Fastboy vs Gordon Wrinn, A infamous guide from EQ and approximately 64 players from 2000-2001...

Which is more convincing......

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[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fadetree:





Fadetree and Fastboy vs Gordon Wrinn, A infamous guide from EQ and approximately 64 players from 2000-2001...

Which is more convincing......

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What, specifically, do you think I am arguing that is contradicted by his post? (Even if we assume it is all true) I can't think of a single thing I've said that contradicts something in this post you keep bringing up. I've even gone back and read it a couple times just to give you the benefit of the doubt...I don't see it.

[maskedmelon]

There is no classic solution to fixing endgame raiding. If the GMs implement a rotation, then cunning endgame raiders will just form an extensive number of alt guilds with cross platform dkp and log unguided mains/alts for loot as needed. Won't work.

The one everyone should learn from the current raid environment is that more rules create more opportunities for abuse/exploitation.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no classic solution to fixing endgame raiding. If the GMs implement a rotation, then cunning endgame raiders will just form an extensive number of alt guilds with cross platform dkp and log unguided mains/alts for loot as needed. Won't work.

The one everyone should learn from the current raid environment is that more rules create more opportunities for abuse/exploitation.

That's a good point. However it worked on live and was classic. If there was a no-bullshit policy of banning people who attempt to work around things like that then I doubt someone would risk banning to log in and loot an item.

I think the best thing though would be implementing Luclin dungeons without the actual expansion and adding AA's so people would have something to do, oh and turning off MQ. Min / Maxxers love AA's, its an never ending race to nowhere.

[Kushie]

p99 raid scene is something you don't want to be a part of.

[Kushie]

5 years of top heavy kunark + 3 years of platinum account sales (Not RMT, staff and players would never do that on p99) + emulated server with only cringiest of nerds playing rulesquest = Yuck

[Swish]

BDA still bitter about being run off the server it seems. Fires of Heaven, Venerate, Europa, Omni, Azure Guard are all doing content you guys struggled with.

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[Jorgam]

OP,

The attitude of the raid scene here is pretty much summed up in the way this thread devolved into a shit show. You asked a simple question and these fucks are derailing the thread to prove opinions.

Can you feel the fun being sapped from your soul?

Find some cool people to play with and play as hardcore or casual as you can/like and have fun. These guys will always be here to knock you down whenever you like, both here and in game.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a pretty good beginners guide. Just keep it up boys and we shouldn't have any new folks trying to raid

I wouldn't "hard core" raid here again unless there was some (en)forced server system in place. It doesn't even have anything to do with getting pixels or fairness...current raiding just isn't fun for me in its current state.

I have more fun by far on this server doing non-raid content than raiding. Maybe that is the lesson of classic EQ, maybe its just a p99 lesson.

New folks should play how they want, and should experience p99 for themselves before they take anyone's word for anything on the forums. I imagine that there are at least SOME folks that enjoy raiding on p99...