Can the "list holder" at AC OOT camp remove people for no reason?

[Doors]

What's a list holder

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WOW THANKS
FOR THE
REMINDER YOU
NEED A LAW
DEGREE TO
PLAY ON THE
BLUE SERVER

(I changed your font size b/c I find it to be obnoxious without adding anything meaningful.)

You don't need a law degree. Even the most complicated rules on p99 involve reading a few paragraphs and having the ability to think a little. I do realize some folks struggle with that and would rather just play the game. Its hardly a law degree.

Second, the whole point of my post (which you clearly didn't read) was to point out that, in the end, these rules don't really work for resolving many issues...you just have to not be a total dickbag and things will mostly work out okay.

That's really the only rule that matters 95% of the time when we are playing.

[Aesop]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue rules apply and nothing makes people there angrier.

yeah I chased Croup off PS the other day on my 60 druid and parked my 55 necro there.

non stop tells for like 2 hours daring me to come back on my druid lol.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(I changed your font size b/c I find it to be obnoxious without adding anything meaningful.)

You don't need a law degree. Even the most complicated rules on p99 involve reading a few paragraphs and having the ability to think a little. I do realize some folks struggle with that and would rather just play the game. Its hardly a law degree.

Second, the whole point of my post (which you clearly didn't read) was to point out that, in the end, these rules don't really work for resolving many issues...you just have to not be a total dickbag and things will mostly work out okay.

That's really the only rule that matters 95% of the time when we are playing.

what kind of crack are you smoking? 8 page thread about the rules for some level 30 camp.

Even the most complicated rules on p99 involve reading a few paragraphs and having the ability to think a little.

tell that to anyone involved in organizing raids. or better yet click "raid discussion" and see for yourself how wrong you are.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what kind of crack are you smoking? 8 page thread about the rules for some level 30 camp.



tell that to anyone involved in organizing raids. or better yet click "raid discussion" and see for yourself how wrong you are.

its all relative. if you're an idiot irl then lots of stuff probably seems complicated when it really isn't.

i am very well aware how raiding works on p99...i've been involved in every type of guild on this server since launch. i just disagree about what's complicated. its not the complexity of the rules (almost any idiot can read the rules and understand them---almost any idiot, I realize there are some here that can't/won't read for themselves apparently), but the players that cause the problem.

as for the raid game the rules are pretty simple, its the people that are jerkbags that complicate things, which again was the whole point of my post (resulting in long long threads from folks whining how the game makers ought to be able to stop people from being jerks). the more complicated the rules are reflects the jerks they try to manage. you can't manage jerks, its like herding cats. rules can't make someone stop being a jerk...which is why p99 is so raid-crazy.

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As for the AC camp, its a special example because (regardless of the lvl to do it) it is a very important EQ camp. Just about every single player will want a pair of jboots...so the AC (even back on live) was always a hotbed example to talk camp rules. everyone has had an experience with it if they've played EQ. Its not surprising that folks have also been bringing it up here since launch, and posting long threads to discuss it.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its all relative. if you're an idiot irl then lots of stuff probably seems complicated when it really isn't.

i am very well aware how raiding works on p99...i've been involved in every type of guild on this server since launch. i just disagree about what's complicated. its not the complexity of the rules (almost any idiot can read the rules and understand them---almost any idiot, I realize there are some here that can't/won't read for themselves apparently), but the players that cause the problem.

as for the raid game the rules are pretty simple, its the people that are jerkbags that complicate things, which again was the whole point of my post (resulting in long long threads from folks whining how the game makers ought to be able to stop people from being jerks). the more complicated the rules are reflects the jerks they try to manage. you can't manage jerks, its like herding cats. rules can't make someone stop being a jerk...which is why p99 is so raid-crazy.

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As for the AC camp, its a special example because (regardless of the lvl to do it) it is a very important EQ camp. Just about every single player will want a pair of jboots...so the AC (even back on live) was always a hotbed example to talk camp rules. everyone has had an experience with it if they've played EQ. Its not surprising that folks have also been bringing it up here since launch, and posting long threads to discuss it.

I couldn't agree with this more. In the many years I've played on this server, I can't remember a time I read a GM rule and said to myself this is hard to comprehend. It's usually a matter of people simply unwilling to follow them because they don't agree or it just doesn't benefit them at that moment. Self-interest and selfishness is where the rules become "complicated' because people try to bend them to their benefit.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Bruno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's usually a matter of people simply unwilling to follow them because they don't agree or it just doesn't benefit them at that moment. Self-interest and selfishness is where the rules become "complicated' because people try to bend them to their benefit.

Exactly. ^

And actually this applies to raiding and rules of engagement too. Everyone understands them fine, they just like to try to either manipulate how the rules are read, or try to skew how an encounter actually went down when rules of engagement are questioned regarding a specific mob and situation.

Greedy neckbeards are the culprits of all problems on this server.

[Baler]

Camp holder can pass it to who ever the funk he/she wants to.

[Red_Messiah]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Camp holder can pass it to who ever the funk he/she wants to.

"Can I get on the list?"
"What list scrub? Get out of my sight"
"Fight me 1v1 lets go"
"I don't have to, the rules are on my side"
"I'll pay you to take the camp after you're finished"
"Now we're talking..."

Take a slice of that MQers profit blue world lowlifes - make the most of your bad ruleset.