My experience with a raid guild on P99

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dang, you can't watch the vid! It's a classic, and you are only depriving yourself of knowledge that you just may not have! It's a 9 second clip actually. But. Deep. Thought provoking. Chilling. Check it out if you get the time somehow, somewhere. I highly recommend.

I know what you mean, though. Ironically, I love PVP, always played PVP since eq1, played PVP on RZ, SZ, then Zek. Then went to PVP on eq2. Then went to WAR for PVP. Then went to SWTOR for PVP! Problem I have with PVP on P99 red is it has too small a population for my taste. If it had the pop that blue has, I probably would have started on Red for sure, but it never has since I began playing on P99.

I can handle PVP and the drama it brings I never rage over what others say or when I lose, and I like the competitiveness of PVP. I also value a population and sadly P99 Red does not have that.

I'll check it out ^^ Point wasn't about pvp though, it was about malleability and understanding culture. There are a lot of shenanigans that used to go on on red. To people who don't hail from that environment some of it can seem odd or even disgusting. If you understand the culture though, that's just what they do! Same goes for whatever guild you are in. You can leave to seek out others like yourself, or seek out those people where you are and embrace the differences if you are ally want to see the content. It's a personal choice and those people aren't preventing your fun ^^ You are.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Nikkanu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because I was totally being literal, right...? *facepalm*

The point I am trying to make is this guy seems very negative which doesn't tend to attract lots of friends. It takes time to build friendships. It takes effort to help others and build your reputation as someone who helps others. You can't join a guild where no one knows you and expect everyone to go out of their way and invest their time to help applicant #23019923912 get epiced so they can go rejoin their casual guild. Over time you will build friendships, if you make an effort to do so, in any guild. There's no special exception to this just because a guild raids a lot.

haha... I write a negative post about my personal experience in a raid guild, and so obviously I must be a negative person, right? That seems about right.

That's the funniest thing about people, as soon as someone experiences something different than someone else, then that other person must be weird, bad, odd, or negative. Or even better, friendless.

If my "tone" in the thread sounds a little down, well, guess what? It's meant to be, because I actually am disappointed in how this panned out! I had higher hopes, for sure.

That being said, I honestly don't think you have enough to go on from this thread to accurately determine my personality type and social activities in or out of the game. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me personally, I am at a point where I understand that some things simply work for one, while for others it doesn't. If you find that this specific guild works well for you, and you enjoy it that's great. I don't, and that's just how it is. I am sure I aint the only one that feels this way.

As for soaking up DKP like 50% of guild members do as someone in this thread recommended, I rather not do that. Believe it or not, I rather be useful and enjoy the process than just ride the pixel machine with no emotional investment to it. That's not cool for me, or for the guild imo.

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't realize I said "I have no friends". Let me clarify that I do have friends. I have friends outside the game, and I even have friends on p99.

Why did you think I meant you had no friends at all? D: I would never think that of anyone! There's really no need to explain that you have friends. You seem like a nice, thoughtful person. But you do need to form bonds in most guilds if you want help on stuff from guild mates. Human nature and all that.

[Joyelle]

If you are uncomfortable where you are then the best advice would be to leave and find a smaller guild, like others have said. On P99 of course, that will come at the price of likely not experiencing the bleeding edge content. Large raid guilds probably all operate in pretty much the same way, and that way isn't always a fit for everybody.

Raiding can be stressful at times, and there is a lot of behind the scenes organization that goes into it. If you show up to a particular mob without having done at least a little homework on what you should do during the encounter you can't expect people to hold your hand during it.

Find out who your class leader is, and ask them during down time. If they can't help you out then they have no business being a class leader. If your guild has recruiters, ask them. If they can't answer your question then they should be able to find someone who can. Again if they can't be bothered to do that they aren't worth their weight. I'm sure your guild has forums. Go there and ask, find out what you should be doing.

You get back what you put in, and if you really are putting that much effort into the guild and it's not being reciprocated at all, then that's probably not the right place for you.

I truly hope you find a home that suits you, after all we are supposed to be playing this game for fun.

[paulgiamatti]

If you were in one of the "C" guilds I mentioned, then I really don't blame you at all for not wanting to make friends with any of them.

And also, the funny thing about guilds like Awakened and Aftermath is that even though they're "super hardcore dominant mega" guilds, you'll find that their playerbases consist largely of warm bodies who can simply answer batphones 24 hours a day and follow orders. Their leadership and playmakers I'm sure are some of if not the most talented players on the server, but it never fails to surprise me how many absolute idiots who can barely perform their class role at the most basic level there are in these guilds. And these are the people responsible for blocking more level-headed and even-keeled guilds out of basically all the end-game content, ensuring that only their derpy incompetent masses get the best items.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll check it out ^^ Point wasn't about pvp though, it was about malleability and understanding culture. There are a lot of shenanigans that used to go on on red. To people who don't hail from that environment some of it can seem odd or even disgusting. If you understand the culture though, that's just what they do! Same goes for whatever guild you are in. You can leave to seek out others like yourself, or seek out those people where you are and embrace the differences if you are ally want to see the content. It's a personal choice and those people aren't preventing your fun ^^ You are.

I know what your point was, about embracing the fish in the pond or heading off to a different pond to try to find fish more like myself. It's a very good point, actually.

Concerning PVP It's like that on all PVP games though, the competetiveness of PVPers is vast and when egos are involved in personal battles like they are in PVP on a MMO tempers fly, people cheat, all kinds of crazy stuff happens. That's PVP and that's why it gives a much higher adrenaline rush than any PVE ever could. Once you play PVP it's hard to go back to a game that's full PVE and that's been a weird adjustment for me too.

The PVE on EQ1 is so challenging though that I find it fun enough to hold my attention. It's not PVP though, for sure.

I felt like segueing into chatting about PVP and my history with other games just because I find some of the comments in this thread to be a bit narrowminded and judgmental.

I am about down with this thread though, it is a negative thread and really serves no point now. I appreciate your feedback though, both thoughtful and insightful. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Good! Hope you find a spot that works for you :3

[Loke]

You say you want to experience high end content, and that is what raid guilds are good at. If you want to make friends, the guild isn't going to help you with that.. you're on your own there. Simply sharing a guild tag with 150 other people doesn't automatically make them your friends.

You mention people "thirsting for loot" and "forgetting about common decency".. care to expand on that with specific examples? Most guild loot distribution is pretty fair from what I've noticed. If you're talking about non-raid farm groups and stuff, maybe you should look at it from their perspective. I don't farm cash camps because I like it, I do it because there is shit I want. Farming is like a job. If I showed up to your job, wasn't needed, and contributed very little, and then asked for 1/2 your paycheck, you'd probably find that unreasonable. That is what it is like when you expect to be included in some stranger's farm group simply because you share a tag.

Want to make friends? Start your own shit. No one likes and unnecessary mooch, but everyone likes someone who gets things going. Asking for help when it only benefits you makes you look greedy, but asking for help when the people helping can get something out of it is going to make you a popular guy. Most people are going to exclude you when they're farming because they don't want to be an ass and tell you they don't need you, and you'd just cut into the efficiency of what they're trying to do (e.g. get a specific item, or make some plat), but I doubt they'd care if you let them know you just wanted to hang out and didn't care about the loot.

I personally don't think it is inherently greedy to not want some random new guy to cut into your bottom line when you're trying to farm. We all need plat and all want new items, and if you expect to be included you need to bring something to the table. I've been duoing with friends and had some random person hit me up asking if we wanted to team up and take a harder camp with better loot... doing that made sense and the player asking was bringing something to the table. If that person had just been like "hey, want to unnecessarily turn your duo into a trio?" I'd have probably told them to kick rocks.

Your issue seems to be that you expect others to make sacrifices for you simply because you share a guild tag, when what you should really be doing is finding ways to make yourself a valued addition. Raid guilds deal with raiding.. make yourself valuable on raids and you're kosher as far as the guild is concerned. If you want to make friends and get included in non-raid stuff though, you have to give people a reason to include you.

[heartbrand]

Welcome to basically every raiding guild in MMO's nowadays. Also good use of the word Kosher.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are uncomfortable where you are then the best advice would be to leave and find a smaller guild, like others have said. On P99 of course, that will come at the price of likely not experiencing the bleeding edge content. Large raid guilds probably all operate in pretty much the same way, and that way isn't always a fit for everybody.

Raiding can be stressful at times, and there is a lot of behind the scenes organization that goes into it. If you show up to a particular mob without having done at least a little homework on what you should do during the encounter you can't expect people to hold your hand during it.

Find out who your class leader is, and ask them during down time. If they can't help you out then they have no business being a class leader. If your guild has recruiters, ask them. If they can't answer your question then they should be able to find someone who can. Again if they can't be bothered to do that they aren't worth their weight. I'm sure your guild has forums. Go there and ask, find out what you should be doing.

You get back what you put in, and if you really are putting that much effort into the guild and it's not being reciprocated at all, then that's probably not the right place for you.

I truly hope you find a home that suits you, after all we are supposed to be playing this game for fun.

Thanks, and I am enjoying some lower lvl alts now! Taking a break from my "main". As for class leader, never was given any class leader or told who I could talk to for instruction on raids. I just kind of watched and learned when not sure, and sent tells to people who seemed to know what they were doing.

I think so many people are doing what needs to be done, that it wasn't necessary for me to be an active participant that really mattered. As someone else said, I honestly believe that 50% of the members simply follow where to go, soak up DKP and are content getting what loots drip down to them over time. I find that process to be a waste of time, and not fun.

It boils down to the guild aint for me, I think that's just how the cookie crumbles. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]