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Old 09-27-2016, 09:00 AM
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^ An all too common schema of dysfunctional ethics where the belief that others doing wrong makes it okay for you to do wrong as well.
The allegory of The Unreturned Shopping Cart.

I find your point on hiding distasteful behavior interesting though because it fosters an environment of predation, wherein the prey are entirely unaware of the predators. If the predators act openly, they can at least be identified as such, affording their prey the opportunity to defend themselves. Advocating a situation wherein individuals learn to mask predatory behavior with apparent cooperation necessarily results in oppression and strengthens class division.

I get your point that certain behavior should not be praised, but I think it is important for children to learn consequence as a deterrent to actually engaging in the behavior rather than learning to hide it to be more effective.
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Old 09-27-2016, 01:23 AM
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It's going to keep happening. We don't live in an utopia. You can lay down and get taken or stand up and take.
It's too late to fix.

Extreme example:Once you teach a monkey to beat another's head in to steal their banana. You can't unteach that monkey that.
Other monekys laying down see that and decide..

Do I think it sucks and it's unethical. Yeah but it's too far too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q
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Old 09-27-2016, 01:35 AM
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Taking advantage of crashes and playing the system within the rules established doesn't constitute an ethical failing. You don't make the rules. When stocks drop, you buy and sell high. When idiots crashed the housing market, you buy. He didn't make it happen.

Chaboo's post above is what it all comes down to me. To me its as simple as capitalism vs Hillary's outright socialist policies ("their fair share" - which is never fair).

Trump lies constantly, but he isn't covering up dead bodies, corruption and unjust enrichment or horrible decisions and policies while in power. Trump isn't the one perjuring himself before congress and doesn't have investigative committees and congressional hearing attempting to unravel his lies. Hillary does.
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Old 09-27-2016, 01:47 AM
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Sorry bros I quit all drugs , accept: Alcohol.

I need to live to 70 so my retirement investments pay off fully.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:22 AM
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I watched the whole thing. I thought Trump was going to destroy her but it didn't seem to go that way he had to play a lot of defense. Hillary had clearly put work into being prepared and had a long pre-determined grocery list answer for almost everything she knew that was going to come up like her "stamina" at the end.

The best part was when Lester Holt asked Trump when he would release his tax return and Trump said he would do it after Hillary released her 33,000 deleted emails and the crowd started clapping and cheering lol.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:29 AM
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I watched the whole thing. I thought Trump was going to destroy her but it didn't seem to go that way he had to play a lot of defense. Hillary had clearly put work into being prepared and had a long pre-determined grocery list answer for almost everything she knew that was going to come up like her "stamina" at the end.

The best part was when Lester Holt asked Trump when he would release his tax return and Trump said he would do it after Hillary released her 33,000 deleted emails and the crowd started clapping and cheering lol.
Hillary was absolutely well-prepared. That's what stood out to me and started to anger the ADHD cases around me I think. Her poise probably could not have been more perfect. She moved correctly on just about every issue. The Trump guys were going crazy, as you can probably imagine... (I'm pro-Trump but not a Trump goon, especially not during a debate where its expected both sides are going to bring their A game).

Trump did not destroy her, and when he did attack, it was treading on the weak side of things. It was firm, but it wasn't the destruction that the Trumpettes anticipated.

We really need a highlight reel or some highlights to discuss this in more detail so we have some illustrations, give it a few days.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:29 AM
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Oh Trump snapped at the moderator with excuse me and various other remarks several times - and rightfully so. Trump corrected him with actual facts and clarifications on several occasions.

Debate was meant to be a ringer for Hillary, but Trump still dominated it. Simply parroting memorized lines like a robot and attempting to be cool and collective doesn't win you the debate this year. Hillarys policies are horrible and she is a proven failure in politics so its just not possible for her to be perceived as the winner. In almost every debate poll, Trump is ahead by a landslide.

CNBC: Trump 61%, Hillary 39%
Time: Trump 58%, Hillary 42%
Fortune: Trump 51, Hillary 49%
Heavy: Trump 71%, Hillary 26%
Wa. Times: Trump 71%, Hillary 24%, Neither 4%, Lester Holt 2%
The Hill: Trump 59%, Hillary 36%
Vox: Trump 59%, Hillary 36%

Won't even point to far right sites.

The most hilarious part is CNN's fake poll showing a Hillary landslide victory that is prevalent in almost every article about the debate. Every major media site is quoting CNNs fake numbers and refusing to put up a real poll people can vote on.

This is indicative of what to expect in the election though. Trump has huge support behind him and no amount of polling a list of X of each party will ever show it.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:36 AM
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Interesting poll numbers. I will definitely be pulling a torrent later and going over it. I didn't catch much because things heated up in the room, as I said, but the "excuse me" that I did catch wasn't Jeb-bashing quality, and that's what I meant.

Just wanted to clarify. Trump was tempered. The moderator was bashing him. If Hillary was bashed I didn't see it.
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Interesting poll numbers. I will definitely be pulling a torrent later and going over it. I didn't catch much because things heated up in the room, as I said, but the "excuse me" that I did catch wasn't Jeb-bashing quality, and that's what I meant.

Just wanted to clarify. Trump was tempered. The moderator was bashing him. If Hillary was bashed I didn't see it.
You will be in for a treat, cause there were a few of those moments where he spoke over and silenced both Hillary and Holt. Many funny videos will come of it.
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You will be in for a treat, cause there were a few of those moments where he spoke over and silenced both Hillary and Holt. Many funny videos will come of it.
Well now I am not sure if I should be angry about the disruptions in the room because I actually missed something...lol.

Appreciate the tip off.
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