So no chardok & no bard kiting... discuss

[Freakish]

I'm organizing a wizard sit in. We gather at chardok ent and send verant a message that we will not take this abuse. Monks are power leveling better than we can in all this velious gear. It's just not fair.

[Redex]

Forgive my stupidity What "Damage" was done because of Kiting 100's of mobs with the Bards?

[Daldaen]

I do feel bad for wizards though.

They're an absolutely awful grouping class.
Soloing they're only good for Quadding and because Kunark and Velious design was poor nearly every 51+ mob summons so they are relegated to quadding mid-40s mobs for EXP, most of which green out in the 57-59 range.

They practically lived for AOE groups on Live in Sebilis, the Grey, Acrylia Caverns and Fungus Grove. Until PoP fixed EQ's design and offered 51+ mobs of worth you could kite.

On P99 now wizards will basically have to quad Raptors in TD to 60 or be a leach in some Sebilis or HS group where they provide no real benefit to the group.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

Because we all know new players have the plat to spend 2k per pull.

[Cecily]

Those poor, poor incredibly rich new players [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pindrought]

Originally Posted by xKoopa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really it helps new players by encouraging grouping. Whereas before anyone with alot of plat was just pushin 40-60 with aoe, now they have to group and grind with other ppl

I doubt any new players are hittin lvl 40 with 100k to throw at chardok

Wasn't necessarily referring to Chardok when I said it hurt new players. Moreso, the AE nerf in general.

It still doesn't encourage grouping. Sensible bards wont group when it is still much better xp to just AE down mobs instead of grouping. It just hurts new players since they are capped in their total # of AE targets.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do feel bad for wizards though.

They're an absolutely awful grouping class.
Soloing they're only good for Quadding and because Kunark and Velious design was poor nearly every 51+ mob summons so they are relegated to quadding mid-40s mobs for EXP, most of which green out in the 57-59 range.

They practically lived for AOE groups on Live in Sebilis, the Grey, Acrylia Caverns and Fungus Grove. Until PoP fixed EQ's design and offered 51+ mobs of worth you could kite.

On P99 now wizards will basically have to quad Raptors in TD to 60 or be a leach in some Sebilis or HS group where they provide no real benefit to the group.

/shrug...they can be decent CC in KC and sebilis if they know how to root park mobs out of LoS. Also soloing to about 55 by quadding isn't so bad (they'll get better xp than groups for the most part.) There are some decent quadding spots in velious too for 55+, it's a slow grind for everyone outside of chardok and soloing shm/nec/mnk/enc/dru or power duos.

[EQBallzz]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do feel bad for wizards though.

They're an absolutely awful grouping class.
Soloing they're only good for Quadding and because Kunark and Velious design was poor nearly every 51+ mob summons so they are relegated to quadding mid-40s mobs for EXP, most of which green out in the 57-59 range.

They practically lived for AOE groups on Live in Sebilis, the Grey, Acrylia Caverns and Fungus Grove. Until PoP fixed EQ's design and offered 51+ mobs of worth you could kite.

On P99 now wizards will basically have to quad Raptors in TD to 60 or be a leach in some Sebilis or HS group where they provide no real benefit to the group.

Are there really that many people who min/max group makeup to the degree that they will exclude a wizzy? For XP groups I usually go with the first number of people I can find that is remotely doable (and many times not even a full group). The more jacked the class makeup the more challenging and fun the group can be.

Efficient group makeup does not make things more fun. Sure, it's nice to have a well oiled XP machine with optimal everything if that's what you end up with but that's not nearly as satisfying or challenging as making an oddball group work despite it being sub-optimal (IMO).

I was in a group last night on my chanter with 3 SKs, a necro and a cleric. Worst group ever for my chanter because I couldn't mez anything with SK's and their damn dot taunts. I would have loved to swap out an SK for a wizzy in that group. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do feel bad for wizards though.

They're an absolutely awful grouping class.
Soloing they're only good for Quadding and because Kunark and Velious design was poor nearly every 51+ mob summons so they are relegated to quadding mid-40s mobs for EXP, most of which green out in the 57-59 range.

They practically lived for AOE groups on Live in Sebilis, the Grey, Acrylia Caverns and Fungus Grove. Until PoP fixed EQ's design and offered 51+ mobs of worth you could kite.

On P99 now wizards will basically have to quad Raptors in TD to 60 or be a leach in some Sebilis or HS group where they provide no real benefit to the group.

I don't mind Wizards in a group if they don't try to be DPS wizards and blow through their mana bar nuking 1 mob. Having multiple stuns to stop a CH or Ice Comet is always handy, root parking and snare on fleeing mobs is useful if you have nobody else to do it or if you want to free up someone else's resources, and well timed nukes do make things more efficient. And, with a Flux staff, they can do the group a favor and take one for the team when the Enchanter's pet breaks charm.

[khanable]

Wizards are fucking great in warrior groups: dedicated rooter yissss