Common Man's ToV Raid Scene

[Calrizien]

This thread is getting too rnf'ish. Lets salvage it and sift out the real substantive conversation that fifield, dald, and some others are trying to proceed with.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Calrizien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is getting too rnf'ish. Lets salvage it and sift out the real substantive conversation that fifield, dald, and some others are trying to proceed with.

When I was on sirken stream with hoku and I said that CoTH races were cancerous to the raid scene all the FA forum trolls came out of the woodwork saying I just wanted to get rid of coth races because we lost x mob etc. etc.

Perhaps fifield should start with trying to change his own guild's attitude towards the situation before trying to get other guilds on board.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with a rotation will inevitably fall to pixel lust and worthiness deeming.

I think you could get a decent number of FA/Awakened people To consider a rotation 10/10 each week if it meant no tracking and no 4AM Batphones.

But once BDA joins, and CSG, and Asgard wants to split off, and Anonymous wants to try WToV, and Divinity is ready to trash faction again...

That's the point where people stop getting interested when it becomes 2-3 Dragons a week per guild and some guilds are wiping continually to half of them, leaving them up for days.

I joked about the Sontalak entry point. Something like Klandicar would be more reasonable though.

Obviously, you'd put limits on the amount of time the dragon is allowed to live. If you can't kill the dragon when it spawns because of a crappy spawn time, no big deal. A new set of mobs will spawn next week.

I feel as if you can have an agreement wherein guilds that fight as alliances always fight as alliances and so forth. Just takes some give and take by the leadership of the various guilds involved in such an arrangement.

[Pint]

So much bad information in this thread. Most of you need to stop regurgitating fabricated opinions you exchange with each other in late night vent convos. Asgard would sign off on fifield's proposal, 2 mages to cover a wing of 15 targets is reasonable. Awakened's stance of 2 mages per target in a wing of 15 dragons is not reasonable. FA has told awakened for weeks that we would sit down with them and map out new rules, awakened hasn't accepted the invitation and instead started a magician arms race. It doesn't matter who you are or where your information comes from, the above statements are first hand from the top facts and everything else is just people running their mouths. Invitation to work out new rules is still available whenever awakened wants to come to the table.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much bad information in this thread. Most of you need to stop regurgitating fabricated opinions you exchange with each other in late night vent convos. Asgard would sign off on fifield's proposal, 2 mages to cover a wing of 15 targets is reasonable. Awakened's stance of 2 mages per target in a wing of 15 dragons is not reasonable. FA has told awakened for weeks that we would sit down with them and map out new rules, awakened hasn't accepted the invitation and instead started a magician arms race. It doesn't matter who you are or where your information comes from, the above statements are first hand from the top facts and everything else is just people running their mouths. Invitation to work out new rules is still available whenever awakened wants to come to the table.

I've yet to be invited. Invite me and if I'm not at work I'll be there. PS I've only heard of a singular offer being extended a week or two ago (not to me) and it carries the stipulation that multiple petitions must be dropped for changes to occur on a trial basis.

The reason I don't like Fifield's proposal is mages are dumb and CotH racing is dumb. Foot racing would be more fun. Let's get rid of mages and agree to foot race rules instead.

But a genuine question. Let's say, you beat me to FTE on Cekenar because we have a Vulak and Dagarn mage. We saw you had a Vulak Mage but last we heard you had a Koi Mage and our Vulak FTE CotH'd rogue never saw you run in from Koi.

What level of evidence would you require us to present you to prove you exceeded the 2 Mage limit in north warranting a concede of the target?

I ask this because the 2 Mage in north thing is impossible to police amongst ourselves. The only reason we realized you were gating mages to spawns and then CotHing is because you already had 2 Vulak mages in view, just like we did. At that point we had no one else in North, so we had no eyes on the other Mage spots and the only reason we could prove you gated a Mage is because an officer told us you did, and we saw no one CotH'd to Vulak.

You can't police 2 mages per wing in North because you'd need eyes at 3 different mages to prove they're all there and you're breaking the agreement.

Or... Just require anyone getting FTE be camped at entrance (VP pad) behind the door. Only allow 2 ranger trackers in North. And profit.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much bad information in this thread. Most of you need to stop regurgitating fabricated opinions you exchange with each other in late night vent convos. Asgard would sign off on fifield's proposal, 2 mages to cover a wing of 15 targets is reasonable. Awakened's stance of 2 mages per target in a wing of 15 dragons is not reasonable

Not reasonable to whom? We got ours, tough weekend on you guys I guess

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But once BDA joins, and CSG, and Asgard wants to split off, and Anonymous wants to try WToV, and Divinity is ready to trash faction again...

So, the real enemies here are BDA and CSG. Awakened and ForsakenGard just need to come together to block the casual filth, and balance will be restored.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, the real enemies here are BDA and CSG. Awakened and ForsakenGard just need to come together to block the casual filth, and balance will be restored.

No, hes simply pointing out how the more people in the rotation the less pixels each guild would receive in the same time period. Eventually this will drop below the rate that is acceptable to the members and the guild will break the agreement.

It's called being a realist. No good, no bad, just each guild doing what it should be doing - what it's members desire.

[Elmarnieh]

I don't see how desiring not having a coh race is crazy. A rotation would be a lot less stress for each guild.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Elmarnieh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how desiring not having a coh race is crazy. A rotation would be a lot less stress for each guild.

No because rotations are for pussies. If you're not raiding ToV every weekend you shouldn't even play on p99.