Open petition to reduce variance to +/- 4 hours

[gummab]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I take it you were one of the advocates for trying to get "afk" people's points wiped? After being one of the vocal minority who didn't want dkp in the first place that's a big U-turn for you isn't it Gummab?

What did the officers say about not stirring up internal drama on the forums? PM me if this is really an issue for you. You sound jaded.

Very much on red if I could play, but I can't play. If red ever collapses or Rogean decides to shut it down or wipe it... it's good to know that those points are still there. Feel free to quote me in a PM to Gridfire <3

So wide of the mark it's unreal.but you would know this already because you must have read the forums.
And what drama?I'm asking you a serious question why big up red so much and generally wipe your ass about the blue server,even in this post you say if you could play you would play red which we both know is not the case judging by the post you put up for the hate raid.

You should know by now I don't like liars and to me you are coming across that way which is kinda sad as I did like your ethos within the game maybe I judged you wrong.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think casual players think that reducing variance would allow them to go for targets, but in reality, this will cause 200+ people to be waiting at the zone line to kill mobs for every single target in the game. This is not a good idea in terms of training and petitions.

Variance itself is pretty stupid because it causes people to do irregular things not good for health. Sitting and starring at your computer for 16 hours is probably not conducive to postive general health and well being. Also, it turns the game into something incredibly unfun that can also hurt real life priorities if you have to be available at a moment's notice all day.

Honestly, the only thing that probably is an improvement for everyone, including the staff in regards to petitions, is mobs all spawning at the same time.

I agree with your solution, but not 100% with your reasoning.

In the past, on the TLP servers, I argued that all raid targets across all expansions should spawn at the exact same time, and that that time should be relatively predictable.

Reduced variance will probably not help very much, but classic spawn schedules absolutely would.

Imagine an Earthquake at 8pm EST on Tuesday night. A dozen, at least, targets would die within an hour, with another dozen or so dying in the following hour. Is Rampage going to get all of them or even most of them? Of course not. We aren't back in Kunark, where half of the available raid targets are located in one zone. Rampage will get a few, BDA will get a few, essentially every guild that wants one will get a few and all of the killing will happen in rapid succession.

Its not crazy to think that Rampage, BDA, and several other top guilds will spend most of that earthquake in ToV. This allows smaller guilds to take their pick of Kunark targets and low priority Velious targets.

We all know what happens now. Maybe next week Rampage, Foegard, and other larger raid forces are in ToV, but its more likely that one or two of them will disengage from ToV (where mobs are in window, but not spawned) to mobilize on lower priority targets that happen to spawn early. Certainly the week after, after targets spread out more, they'll trickle out of ToV to knock out other targets.

What if there was no variance? Rampage is in ToV all night next week on raid night, because they know which targets are spawning and in what order, and if they're not there, they'll lose all of ToV. Similarly, the guilds that killed other targets in ToV will be there trying to get what they got last week and maybe snipe one from Rampage or another guild. 3-4 raid forces in ToV on Tuesday night which allows smaller guilds to.. you guessed it, take out their Kunark/lower priority Velious targets.

I would certainly LOVE to see an all-Earthquake spawn schedule like you suggest though. But I think a classic-styled no variance + semi-regular resets (described in many places by Daldaen) would work almost as well.

[zanderklocke]

Here's Noble last year with no variance. I'm not saying variance is good, but this could happen unless multiple mobs are spawning at once.

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[Swish]

Originally Posted by gummab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So wide of the mark it's unreal.but you would know this already because you must have read the forums.
And what drama?I'm asking you a serious question why big up red so much and generally wipe your ass about the blue server,even in this post you say if you could play you would play red which we both know is not the case judging by the post you put up for the hate raid.

You should know by now I don't like liars and to me you are coming across that way which is kinda sad as I did like your ethos within the game maybe I judged you wrong.

You're still inciting drama, I'll have a word with the officers. Please PM me if you have anything else to say.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're still inciting drama, I'll have a word with the officers. Please PM me if you have anything else to say.

Swish always QQing to officers of guilds about things said on the forum when he has nothing to come back with.

[gummab]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're still inciting drama, I'll have a word with the officers. Please PM me if you have anything else to say.

You have been forumquesting way too long if you think what I wrote constitutes as any form of drama,my points are totally non-fiction.

Peace out and long happiness to you on red.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's Noble last year with no variance. I'm not saying variance is good, but this could happen unless multiple mobs are spawning at once.

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You don't have to be at IZ in Sky?

[jcr4990]

The "2 tracker" rule will prevent that in most cases. Nobody is allowed beyond the zone in except for 2 trackers. Then its just a race for FTE soon as it pops. Same as it is now except you don't have to wait up to 16 hours for it.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Swish always QQing to officers of guilds about things said on the forum when he has nothing to come back with.

First time I can remember saying it. I'm flattered to have an internet stalker that knows better though. Dinner in Vegas later bb?

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by maestrom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to be at IZ in Sky?

Sky mobs aren't considered raid targets for whatever reason.