Play Nice Policy Doesnt Apply to Bards Making Money

[kstampy]

I don't bard but I always had 0 problems with bards that swarm. There is a vast array of zones where bard kiting doesn't even work that give even better ZEM. We even have people in this thread that said they have already quit for good. They are still flaming, nothing better to do? None of you whiners make any sense. How many tissues do you people need? It is scary to know a huge number of players are 30+ years old.

This is a perfect example of why I refuse to log in for double xp. Emo99 status.

[EndofLine]

If a bard is pulling YOUR mobs from YOUR camp then absolutely it applies. However... It does not apply to every mob in the zone. For instance.

If you are in Lake of Ill Omen in a Ledge Group. You don't own the entire Fort. If someone pulls the inside of the fort and throne room out, you have no leg to stand on to complain. This game is old enough to where camps are pretty clearly defined and understood.

I get that it's frustrating, but the reality is you don't "own" those mobs they are just conveniently near you.

This for instance comes up often in MM where anytime I get in a group @ Pond inevitably someone will just stand in canyon on the way to graveyard and plop their asses down and start killing everything from entrance to GY.

It's well understood that the canyon belongs to the Pond group, but that doesn't mean that everyone "agrees" with it. If either person /petitioned I doubt it would get any attention because truthfully neither are 100% right.

I was in Lake of Ill Omen for a while over the weekend (No I'm not bard btw...) and listened to a group Rage for about an hour about a bard pulling inside of the Fort. I ran over and noticed the bard was pulling the throne room and pathers.

Not either of the ledge groups nor the back door had pulled anything more than 2-3 spawns deep into the fort, the throne room nor anything near it had been touched, yet they were screaming/whining in shout for an hour about how a bard stole their mobs.

I get it, it pisses you off, but did the Bard commit a crime. No... sorry they didn't. At least not in this instance.

Now if you have half your camp down, and they wander around snagging the rest of your established camp you have a very clear issue that I could see being addressed.

At least in my instance I witnessed the group were just ill informed whiners who were pissed that they didn't have a bottomless fort to pull from.

Just not the way it works I'm afraid.

Anyway the weekend is over, hopefully things will go back to normal.

[Era'viss]

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway the weekend is over, hopefully things will go back to normal.

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[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in Lake of Ill Omen for a while over the weekend

Well, if this was true, then you would have noticed the massive, 80-100 deep sarnak train pulling mobs DIRECTLY IN FRONT of the ledge group

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(No I'm not bard btw...) and listened to a group Rage for about an hour about a bard pulling inside of the Fort. I ran over and noticed the bard was pulling the throne room and pathers.

Again, IF this was true, you would have seen why the group in question raged, as the mobs directly in front of the ledge group were being taken.

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not either of the ledge groups nor the back door had pulled anything more than 2-3 spawns deep into the fort, the throne room nor anything near it had been touched, yet they were screaming/whining in shout for an hour about how a bard stole their mobs.

This statement tight here shows me that's a pretty big IF in 'if you were there'.
Our grouped cleared the courtyard, the fort entrance and was working on the throne room when the bard in question ran by and grabbed all the remaining mobs. This happened several times throughout the day and into the night, until the group he was in then decided to /ooc talk smack to the zone. That's when he left.

Originally Posted by EndofLine;2068603I

get it, it pisses you off, but did the Bard commit a crime. No... sorry they didn't. At least not in this instance.

IF you were there, you would have seen that in fact, he did commit a crime. At least according to the Play Nice Policy, here let me link you the 3 passages his action directly broke. But of course, IF you were there, you would know this.

"You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area."

"Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area."

"You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns."

Originally Posted by EndofLine;2068603I

Now if you have half your camp down, and they wander around snagging the rest of your established camp you have a very clear issue that I could see being addressed.

This is EXACTLY what happened. Funny, since you were there, you should have seen this.

Originally Posted by EndofLine;2068603I

At least in my instance I witnessed the group were just ill informed whiners who were pissed that they didn't have a bottomless fort to pull from.

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You're advocating a lot for this bard, perhaps you paid him quite a bit of Plat or even RMT for a nice successful double XP weekend?

Originally Posted by EndofLine;2068603I

Just not the way it works I'm afraid.

Unless your level 60, and donating quite a bit of profits from PL session to the P1999 donation button. Then it seems that's exactly how it works and is condoned with no repercussions or punishment.

[Capi]

I'd like to take this time to announce the grand re-opening of Capi's PLing bard service. Tired of bards training you? Just pay me.

[fishingme]

Canyon is its own camp. It's pond that steals from whoever is at canyon so canyon starts taking pond mobs. If canyon wasn't a camp then it wouldn't have the camp name "canyon". Search back in forums to around 2010 and 2011. Canyon camp was hashed out a long time ago. Plus per server rules paraphrasing here "anything within line of sight is camp".

[EndofLine]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canyon is its own camp. It's pond that steals from whoever is at canyon so canyon starts taking pond mobs. If canyon wasn't a camp then it wouldn't have the camp name "canyon". Search back in forums to around 2010 and 2011. Canyon camp was hashed out a long time ago. Plus per server rules paraphrasing here "anything within line of sight is camp".

It absolutely was not like that on Cazic Thule or Torvonnilous I know that much. Every group I've been on in this server it's been unanimous that canyon belongs to Pond.

That line of sight thing was never enforced, and there are a million camps where is obviously ridiculous.

The fact is there are not enough mobs to sustain a group just around the pond. Nor are there enough mobs in canyon to support a group. Solo'ing each for sure, but not a group so it makes zero sense to have Canyon be split off.

[nhdjoseywales]

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It absolutely was not like that on Cazic Thule or Torvonnilous I know that much. Every group I've been on in this server it's been unanimous that canyon belongs to Pond.

That line of sight thing was never enforced, and there are a million camps where is obviously ridiculous.

The fact is there are not enough mobs to sustain a group just around the pond. Nor are there enough mobs in canyon to support a group. Solo'ing each for sure, but not a group so it makes zero sense to have Canyon be split off.

Line of sight is absolutely enforced here. Been there done that.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by EndofLine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It absolutely was not like that on Cazic Thule or Torvonnilous I know that much. Every group I've been on in this server it's been unanimous that canyon belongs to Pond.

That line of sight thing was never enforced, and there are a million camps where is obviously ridiculous.

The fact is there are not enough mobs to sustain a group just around the pond. Nor are there enough mobs in canyon to support a group. Solo'ing each for sure, but not a group so it makes zero sense to have Canyon be split off.

It was a camp on ayonae ro and solusek ro. But that doesn't matter because p1999 is p1999, not live. LoS rule has been enforced, the problem being most of all is that GMs/guides vary on opinions on it this is why camps were never enforced back in the day but more of a "respect your fellow player". If you feel you do not have enough mobs in just pond then head to a less populated zone. Not having enough mobs whether it's because you have twinks in group or not doesn't matter, if you want an endless stream of mobs then you need to find another zone. Unfortunately my searches on p99 site do not go back further than 2014, nor can I find my posts in the thread I'm talking about from 2010/2011, I guess I post too much...

However, canyon is considered a camp. Not a primary one like Pond/gy/CE but it is a secondary camp when the zone starts filling up. It's just like unrest basement, you have the basement and then the pit where the dwarf spawns. Sure there's not enough mobs for a constant stream of killing, but camps are camps.

[maskedmelon]

Players can plop down to kill mobs wherever they like, but only named and their respective ph are campable. Everything in between is officially FFA unless policy has changed. Traditionally players respected others invalid claims to areas out of common courtesy. That no longer exists on blue due to scarcity (of xp) stemming from mudflation and population and the absence of an tangible penalty for bad behavior.