Class defining epic

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Bard - no other epic is as class changing or offers as much diversity as the bard epic moving bards from mana batteries to front line fighters

That is just ridiculous.

A bard should always do what's best for the group/raid. If you're in the melee group, you buff the melee. If you're in the tank group providing DS, you should provide the best DS available (which means switching your epic for a brass instrument when applying Mcvaxius). If you're in the caster group, you pump mana.

In a normal group setting, in special cases like a melee-heavy group without a chanter around, then yes, you want to melee to keep the epic proc buff at all times.

But if the caster group is struggling for mana while you're meleeing on the account that you have your epic, then you're playing badly.

[nuuki]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Bard - no other epic is as class changing or offers as much diversity as the bard epic moving bards from mana batteries to front line fighters
2. Cleric - streamlines one of the class defining features and makes it manaless
3. Rogue - high backstabs, check, haste, check, AP buff, check
4. Ranger - like a rogue, without backstabs
5. Magician - revolutionary pet, but pets are only a percentage of what mages do considering nukes, rods, and coth
6. Warrior - one of the best taunt procs in game OR one of the best 2h DPS weapons in game. neat gimmick.
7. Paladin - taunt proc isn't class defining, but it's good. have stuns from other sources.
8. Monk - magic fists that you can click for haste when no other haste is available. that's cool.
9. Druid - a dot click for soloing with a snare component
10. Shaman - a dot click for soloing with no snare
11. Enchanter - they have the opposite problem of the cleric. haste is nice, but VoG has better stats and WR is faster. the spell also has stacking problems, but you will still cast it a lot on raids
12. Wizard - the mana regen and shield are nice, but are both kind of insignificant in combat
13. ShadowKnight - probably most useful for its 2h bash, but then only really benefits races without slam
14. Necromancer - it's a free snare/dot, but they already get snare/dots and it does not stack with root

Thank you sir this is awesome

[PDX0621]

Originally Posted by PDX0621 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What does it look like?

Still waiting, still curious.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. Rogue - high backstabs, check, haste, check, AP buff, check

According to wiki, the effect is worn? Is there a min level on this, or would it apply while worn to a level 1 for example?

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

9. Druid - a dot click for soloing with a snare component

14. Necromancer - it's a free snare/dot, but they already get snare/dots and it does not stack with root

Druid epic is the most useless atm. It's snare component makes it mutually exclusive with root. Ensuring that a druid will never get more than 66% of the dot's damage without another person keeping the npc still/fearing. A Necro can at least fear after using their snare/dot epic and get 100% dmg without another player being present. Now after velious root/snare stacking changes, that's a different story. But until then, the druid epic is the biggest piece of garbage.

[wycca]

Wiz epic is sorta lackluster. If you're looking at items as hard to get as an epic, you also have to consider every other option.

The wiz epic replicates the effect (plus a minor boost) of the spell manaskin for 0 mana and 0 reagents. That's not nothing, but it's also not a ton.

You can't really look at the clicky as a boost to mana regen (ie assuming you combine it with a mana stone or manna robe). It's more dps and less work clicking to just pickup a Rend robe, a Hoshkar staff, or a Velk robe.

As a free rune on AE fights - it does have some minor use. It's worthless for the most part in Kunark because most raid mobs die before it eats through your manaskin+manaskin combo. In velious, it has some more use. A well adjusted wizard can likely mana-dump on an AE mob fast enough to not take significant damage from any AE's before ducking behind a wall. It's sole major use is re-runing during breaks hiding behind a wall. That isn't horrid, but hey, diamond wands rot also, so it's not quite as good as it could be.

As far as stats, the wiz epic disappoints. It's good for pure mana fights, but not game-changing. If the mob has a MR, PR, or FR/CR AE, then you're going to instead be using a phinny staff or a staff of gabstik. In fact, the wiz epic is the only epic, where the items you turnin, add up to better stats than the final epic.

TL[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]R - The wiz epic is nice, but it's hardly game changing. A mana-free rune is useful, but is not class defining or game changing. There's a reason it's ~#3 on my Kunark wish list behind 2 other clickies.


Also, just wanted to put out that Rangers are probably the most lucky melee class in terms of epic. They get the major advantages of the rogue epic in the offhand, in the mainhand they get another great weapon with a slow/agro proc. Additionally, they get the effect of the monk epic in a friggin PoSky cloak. It's a great raid epic for them and a phenominal solo epic.

[fastboy21]

If you are max'ing there is no other item in the entire game until late PoP that adds voice mod. For a class that is basically not gear dependent it is an extremely important item to have. If you are a guild bard (raiding) then the ones with epic are the more usefull; it doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't have epic you'll always play second fiddle (see what I did there?) to the ones that do for tank grps, etc.

It doesn't change how you play in the sense that you are memming different songs or twisting any differently.

It does make a big difference in having an instrument mod on all the time AND being able to melee. But its still just twisting and hitting auto attack; that's not what he meant by game changing though imo.

[falkun]

Everyone saying the rogue epic is more class defining than the bard epic is trolling. The ATK from the rogue epic is 10 better than the bard's, but the bard supplies that 30 ATK to the entire group. Rogues have other items they could use for the haste, and BIS DPS weapons do not include the rogue epic even in Kunark, let alone Velious. Bards had their epic equipped essentially 100% of the time from Kunark through the PoP EPs.

Wycca's list for cleric, bard, and mage epics is accurate.

[zanderklocke]

Can BDA get Deajay his epic already?

There is no bard on this server more deserving of an epic than Deajay.

[Daldaen]

The only reason rogue epic is class defining is because you can buy one at level 1 and it changes the class having access to your epic at level 1.

Praise MQ sellers and twinks!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason rogue epic is class defining is because you can buy one at level 1 and it changes the class having access to your epic at level 1.

Praise MQ sellers and twinks!

and not because it's one of the only 15 damage (or higher) piercing weapons available for rogues in the game!