History Revised: Enraptured

[Juevento]

The real funny thing here is that TMO is crying about IB dodging a suspension when TMO just got off a VP suspension from Monday to Friday (for the unimmersed, mobs spawn on Sat/Sun).

You guys sure you wanna hound Sirken about this?

[Frieza_Prexus]

The core issue is that the server still does not have a set of established rules and procedures for handling raid disputes. What does get written down is ignored or overturned, and what is overturned is immediately used again as precedent. It's disorganized, and there's no reason it has to be that way.

Much of the raid scene's governance is completely ad hoc despite numerous individuals drafting and submitting model codes both privately and publicly, solicited and unsolicited.

[sulpher01]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The core issue is that the server still does not have a set of established rules and procedures for handling raid disputes. What does get written down is ignored or overturned, and what is overturned is immediately used again as precedent. It's disorganized, and there's no reason it has to be that way.

Much of the raid scene's governance is completely ad hoc despite numerous individuals drafting and submitting model codes both privately and publicly, solicited and unsolicited.

Is there any reason WHY it is this way? GMs/Rogean enjoy being involved more?

It's sad when you have to bookmark specific posts in order to show people the rules.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The core issue is that the server still does not have a set of established rules and procedures for handling raid disputes. What does get written down is ignored or overturned, and what is overturned is immediately used again as precedent. It's disorganized, and there's no reason it has to be that way.

Much of the raid scene's governance is completely ad hoc despite numerous individuals drafting and submitting model codes both privately and publicly, solicited and unsolicited.

If your guild really gave a 1/4th of a shit about establishing raid rules and disputes as you pretend to, in a professional manner, your guild leader and officers would get with the leaders of Rampage and handle things like adults. Instead they (your guild leader and officers) spend most their efforts with smear campaigns and making shit up to try and look like the victors on the boards. Get out of here with that crap.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild really gave a 1/4th of a shit about establishing raid rules and disputes as you pretend to, in a professional manner, your guild leader and officers would get with the leaders of Rampage and handle things like adults. Instead they (your guild leader and officers) spend most their efforts with smear campaigns and making shit up to try and look like the victors on the boards. Get out of here with that crap.

The officers are usually on point with getting shit sorted out. Tiggles and Lazie are here to start shit ofc, but Lazie only started that kind of stuff after he stopped raiding. When he was trying to explain the bard chaining aggro off the IB cleric and sirken just could not understand (or would not, as he really dislikes reversing a decision from being mechanically wrong) he stopped trying to convince staff or players.

And big tiggs just wants to watch it burn :3

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild really gave a 1/4th of a shit about establishing raid rules and disputes as you pretend to, in a professional manner, your guild leader and officers would get with the leaders of Rampage and handle things like adults. Instead they (your guild leader and officers) spend most their efforts with smear campaigns and making shit up to try and look like the victors on the boards. Get out of here with that crap.

Despite RnF appearances, they actually do get together quite a bit. However, the issue isn't solely in the hands of IB or TMO, or even all of Class C. The problem is everyone's, and it really does stem from a lack or organization in the administrative process.

There's been quite a bit of effort over the years to finally get it all written down in a simple, efficient, and thorough way. Numerous individuals and guilds have even gone so far as to write exhaustive rules sets and send them in to the staff, but thus far they have stopped short of adopting formal procedure which I believe everyone suffers for.

This isn't about any one guild. It's about the fact that there is little predictability in raid dispute resolution, and it's frustrating for the staff and the players. It's a problem that can be easily solved, however, and that's what some of us are trying to do.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Despite RnF appearances, they actually do get together quite a bit. However, the issue isn't solely in the hands of IB or TMO, or even all of Class C. The problem is everyone's, and it really does stem from a lack or organization in the administrative process.

There's been quite a bit of effort over the years to finally get it all written down in a simple, efficient, and thorough way. Numerous individuals and guilds have even gone so far as to write exhaustive rules sets and send them in to the staff, but thus far they have stopped short of adopting formal procedure which I believe everyone suffers for.

This isn't about any one guild. It's about the fact that there is little predictability in raid dispute resolution, and it's frustrating for the staff and the players. It's a problem that can be easily solved, however, and that's what some of us are trying to do.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your guild really gave a 1/4th of a shit about establishing raid rules and disputes as you pretend to, in a professional manner, your guild leader and officers would get with the leaders of Rampage and handle things like adults. Instead they (your guild leader and officers) spend most their efforts with smear campaigns and making shit up to try and look like the victors on the boards. Get out of here with that crap.

Funny how you think you know what youre taking about. Ive personally brought up to Hokushin and other IB officers about implementing train wars again in VP only past the first bridge and you cannot train the opponents raid, only pullers. They will not agree and its a shame because it would help Sirken in regards to less petitions and there is no real advantage to either side in this circumstance. It actually helps both guilds in that instead of 20 ppl poopsocking zone ent to buff the pullers and bind sight tracking, you would need 1 tracker for each guild.

Anyone wanna guess why they won't agree? I wouldn't either when its clear they have the advantage in petitionquest.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how you think you know what youre taking about. Ive personally brought up to Hokushin and other IB officers about implementing train wars again in VP only past the first bridge and you cannot train the opponents raid, only pullers. They will not agree and its a shame because it would help Sirken in regards to less petitions and there is no real advantage to either side in this circumstance. It actually helps both guilds in that instead of 20 ppl poopsocking zone ent to buff the pullers and bind sight tracking, you would need 1 tracker for each guild.

Anyone wanna guess why they won't agree? I wouldn't either when its clear they have the advantage in petitionquest.

Train wars. Sounds like a professional resolution. How small is your brain kid?

[radditsu]

I would like to introduce the Diety Plan. As your digital ruler I own 1 out of every 10 loot drops on the server.