Isn't there a better way to distribute raid loot? If not which is most fair?

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everybody here hates everybody else. All guilds have a bad reputation.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everybody here hates everybody else. All guilds have a bad reputation.

This isn't in the least bit true, certain guilds have terrible reputations bc they consistently put their wants above others in every scenario they encounter and other guilds just have very shitty ppl running the show for them.

[Crom]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROLEPLAY SCENARIO

Guild A gets a shot at Trakanon once every few months due to the raid scene on the server. Donal's BP drops, straight up /random happens, the cleric who logs in once a month for raids happens to win the BP over clerics who have been raiding consistently with the guild. In this exercise, you will roleplay a guild leader frantically trying to convince all those other clerics to remain with your guild and devising a new method of distributing high-value/high-rarity loot...

+1

This is what all loot systems try to prevent.

Most people want a system that rewards hard work, "Do the work get the reward".

[Fanguru]

Being part of the loot council sucks. You spend too much time worrying about who is going to complain and how to defuse drama, when you should be focusing on running your guild.

DKP puts everyone in charge of their own loot.

On such a top-heavy server, the benefits of gearing up key people are minor. EQ wasn't meant to be played with people full of BiS items. Everyone has so much gear for Kunark, and even in Velious most of the raid encounters can be done with that Kunark gear.

The only thing that promotes having key players full of BiS here is the cutthroat raid scene where a tiny advantage can help you leapfrog another guild.

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) He's freaking out about (potentially) not getting loot. That's a classic loot whore personality trait. Loot whore pisses off loot council who skips that person over.
Prophecy fulfilled.

2) Reputation is everything. Who wants to be in BDA?

You keep talking about loot whore mentality but you are in a guild that's been raid suspended far too much trying to break raid rules for a little bit of loot.

Notsureifsrs

[drktmplr12]

Has no one suggested epgp?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being part of the loot council sucks. You spend too much time worrying about who is going to complain and how to defuse drama, when you should be focusing on running your guild.

I've seen way more complaints and drama in DKP systems than loot council. People constantly complaining about the DKP rules, thinking they should be changed, drama over that class-specific item that just went for 1 DKP (must be collusion!), etc. Now that's probably just that the DKP systems were worse run than the loot council system we had, but the point is that DKP doesn't defuse drama. A well-run system defuses drama.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, after all <Afterlife> never really advanced in EQ after they implemented DKP ...

How many expansions did AL finish first serverwide?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many expansions did AL finish first serverwide?

Luclin and PoP?

They only even finished PoP because they neutered Quarm though. Rabble rabble.

[Teneran]

Originally Posted by cbozeman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said you can't have a great guild that will go places with DKP, I just said, look at all the very best guilds on nearly any MMO... its almost always loot council, and a very rigorous objective one at that.

By the way, did you know anyone from <Afterlife>? I'm trying to track down two people... I don't know for sure what their character names were there, but they went by Morden & Frostwave on Turalyon of the World of Warcraft server. They were two of my best officers in the guilds I led there.

Well, you did say a guild can't progress with DKP (read your post). My point is, you can. My raiding guild on Live did DKP and we progressed quite well and there are a lot of other examples I'm sure. You prefer Loot Council, that's great, both can work.

Yes I do actually know someone who was in <Afterlife>. He didn't play with them in WoW though.