Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[Tayy]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you led at least 300 VP raids? If not, then you aren't sufficiently experienced to have a valid opinion on this topic.

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

I think he was being ironic because of Unbrella's remarks.

[Basenji]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wipe wouldn't solve anything. All the people who monopolize the content would welcome a wipe so they can monopolize it all over again. The problem is limited content and a higher than normal amount of people who have no qualms about playing this game as a full time job.

Not to mention that this is a color by numbers server where it's known on how do get from point A to point C without the bother of stopping at point B. A wipe wouldn't make things any harder on the people who know all the tricks to bypass the grind. It was only a couple of days when the first level 50 showed up after the Red Server launch. This is why server firsts here don't mean much because it comes down to who can take a week off work when new content rolls out and gets lucky with latency in the race to the target.

Yes, there will always be a group of players who win the race. That's the nature of contested content. But the situation you describe is still orders of magnitude more classic than the current environment.

Really, the server needs to wipe every 2 years. This one, or new one for that purpose, I don't care. The inflation oriented nature of these games makes wiping the server the only want you can create any semblance of balance and consistency.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who wants to waste their time playing a game?

Welcome to PoopsockQuest, where it's totally fine to wait around for hours for a dragon to spawn, but we'll be damned if we're going to take 30 minutes to clear some trash before zerging down that dragon. And we're all super skilled, but we're going to use 50 people to kill mobs that don't really need more than 20.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

300 raids in VP on P99 between the hours of 4am and 8am is the qualifier for having a valid opinion on this topic.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, there will always be a group of players who win the race. That's the nature of contested content. But the situation you describe is still orders of magnitude more classic than the current environment.

Really, the server needs to wipe every 2 years. This one, or new one for that purpose, I don't care. The inflation oriented nature of these games makes wiping the server the only want you can create any semblance of balance and consistency.

It wouldn't be more classic for the casual player who logs on once in a while to group with some friends which makes up a larger player base than the endgame raiders. The majority of players don't even have a level 60 character yet.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

600 raids in VP on P99 between the hours of 4am and 8am is the qualifier for having any opinion on this topic.

Ftfy, casual scum!

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by HallyVee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

Not entirely. Increasing the penalties will incentivize further abuse of the process unless it is severely refined.

Class C currently has an ultimatum to "work out minor problems." A good portion of these are indeed worked out internally, but only because the "reward" for petitioning is minor in comparison. As the damage to your competition increases, the incentive to petition, no matter the cause, rises as well.

Currently, a petition risks annoying the GMs. It's often not worth it for minor offenses because it'll maybe result in a mob or two. However, when your competition would be banned for several weeks at a time, it becomes extremely worth it to manufacture and fabricate offenses. It's been done before, and it will most certainly be incentivized under the proposed system unless there are serious changes in the petition process.

[Basenji]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wouldn't be more classic for the casual player who logs on once in a while to group with some friends which makes up a larger player base than the endgame raiders. The majority of players don't even have a level 60 character yet.

Really? I think it would make the most difference for exactly those players. I remember digging dangerously deep into Blackburrow in the early teens with two friends so I could get a Runed Totem staff. You can't really experience that here, or any proxy of it. There's too much cheap gear that's too good. The server is too inflated. It would actually make less of a difference to the raiders, for exactly the reasons to describe.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? I think it would make the most difference for exactly those players. I remember digging dangerously deep into Blackburrow in the early teens with two friends so I could get a Runed Totem staff. You can't really experience that here, or any proxy of it. There's too much cheap gear that's too good. The server is too inflated. It would actually make less of a difference to the raiders, for exactly the reasons to describe.

If I was a level 40 who's only been playing once a week for the last 2 years I'd probably be pretty pissed to log on one day to find my chars missing and wouldn't come back. Only a minority of players log on to these boards with any kind of regularity too. A wipe would completely blindside the majority of the player base.