Late game Min/maxing class race list

[Daldaen]

Since ogre shamans never get interrupted from push either... And no, 90 degree corners don't make you immune on this server to push interrupts.

Iksar Necromancer is pretty great though. At the highest end, with Ring 10 + Zlandicar's Heart or Ring 10 + two 2 Regen items (Dozekar boots, belt of dwarfslaying, Chardok multislot)... You don't lose HP from Demi Lich at 60 when sitting. Means you never need Holgresh Elder Beads or to Vexing some stalking probes to recover health from Lich. Non-iksars cannot cancel out the Demi Lich drain.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since ogre shamans never get interrupted from push either... And no, 90 degree corners don't make you immune on this server to push interrupts.

Exactly. And while on a slowed mob, you can time spell casts between melee attacks, a landed bash can still interrupt on an ogre, meaning that all that wonderful frontal stun immunity didn't do anything useful. In fact, it's even worse since you won't find out that the spell didn't channel until the end of the cast instead of immediately.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's my point. For any moderately aware shaman, troll > ogre. And most min/maxers are interested in maxing their playstyle in addition to maxing the toon they have. So troll is the best min/max race for shaman. Ogre is the best race for poorly played shaman.

that's not true, like the hp regen wont 'save your life' it just makes it a little more convenient for you when regening a few smidges of HP here and there, after maybe the last torp fades for example...

the frontal stun may literately save the life of even the best shaman, from a situation where shit got a little out of control (nobody or no skill level can prevent all shit going crazy in eq.. sorry but thats the truth, shit goes crazy all the time).

you mix the fact that it may save your life, with the fact that it's also very convenient to not get frontal stunned when moving around past rooted mobs, or when face tanking.. and sorry, yes regen is nice but frontal stun immunity is both nice AND can save your life.

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[Orruar]

All I see is a bunch of opinion from someone who doesn't play a shaman in any difficult scenario, if at all. If anyone plays an ogre shaman and regularly solos HS south, come give your opinion on how vital frontal stun immunity has been for you.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I see is a bunch of opinion from someone who doesn't play a shaman in any difficult scenario, if at all. If anyone plays an ogre shaman and regularly solos HS south, come give your opinion on how vital frontal stun immunity has been for you.

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literately bro i said it MAY save your life, regen wont.. it wont!

like when you pass 8 rooted things.. run through them you get stunned. you get another 2-300 damage on you.. as opposed to just avoiding that extra damage all together by not getting stunned.

your regen aint gonna regen faster if you didnt get that damage in the first place.

frontal stun : makes life easier sometimes - may save your life.

troll innate regen : makes life easier sometimes.

[fiveeauxfour]

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[iruinedyourday]

Lmao

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your regen aint gonna regen faster if you didnt get that damage in the first place.[/B]

Person who thinks a shaman is ever at full health gives opinion on shaman related topic.

QED

[Daldaen]

All that's worth noting here is gnomes and Halflings are never the best race for anyone to play ever.

Should just remove those races from game.

[Manticmuse]

no one cares what race u are once the mob is slowed. that is not the issue, though defenders of non ogre shamans frequently cite slowed mobs as being no big deal. the hard part is getting the high mr, unrootable mob slowed in the first place. and for that, i dont care how you talk about perfect timing and pen and paper results, there are things that can screw that up, and waiting to time your casts around bash WILL add toward the total amount of melee rounds you take in doing so. if you die because of 6 straight slow resists and the ogre lives on the 7th cast, then guess what, that is a min/max advantage. so just deal with it. no one is saying you made a wrong choice, but for that rare situation that might not be so rare come velious, yes it is better!