Come together to make corpsing bannable!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I say making polls to try and croud source overturning staff decisions, should be a banable offense.

H

Yes please.

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with an 8 hr spawn, is you show up and camped. You can get next turn after he spawns. And you have to stay there the next 8 hrs.

Noone wants to camp Tranix. They want to come in and he be up. Noone wants to sit there.

The rules are fair to those willing to sit out the camp and wait. Noone wants to wait. They want to bitch about the person who does.

I say making polls to try and croud source overturning staff decisions, should be a banable offense.

If noone buys the crowns from the person camping, then they will move on.

Make corpsing banable, then they just find ways to put crowns on other account. It wont fix the perceived problem.

Duh.

H

Haynar I revere your stance on these issues. Now get out of my head.

[Ducket]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with an 8 hr spawn, is you show up and camped. You can get next turn after he spawns. And you have to stay there the next 8 hrs.

Noone wants to camp Tranix. They want to come in and he be up. Noone wants to sit there.

The rules are fair to those willing to sit out the camp and wait. Noone wants to wait. They want to bitch about the person who does.

I say making polls to try and croud source overturning staff decisions, should be a banable offense.

If noone buys the crowns from the person camping, then they will move on.

Make corpsing banable, then they just find ways to put crowns on other account. It wont fix the perceived problem.

Duh.

H

I have absolutely no issues waiting for a camp. My problem is with people rotating camps out with their friends/guildies for days on end.

I think you are looking at the problem through rainbow covered glasses because people who actually want to have a chance don't even get it due to the current system which is abused heavily.

Deru stated that whacky corpse lines can't be made. Yet people work whacky corpse lines and nothing can be done about it. So why is it even mentioned that it can't be done when in fact, it is done and nothing comes of it.

Players who do their corpsing at odd hours when no one else is around, fine.. I have no issues with those players. But what about those players who are doing it during peak hours and rotating out the spawns with their fellow guildies/friends via corpsing and adding themselves back to their list.

There are actually people like myself who give a shit and when we roll by and see that kind of thing happening we won't even bother wasting our time asking to be added to the list because 1) They will probably just ignore your messages about a list or being added to it 2) Won't even bother calling you when it would be your turn because lists don't even matter 'only the current camp holder has rights to say who is next'.

The majority of the servers loot/camp rules are vague, bent, and abused. I understand this is a free server and you can try and shove that down my throat all you want, or even ban me because I'm not bending to your mighty Dev powers but I'd like to think I'm one of the good people who likes to see new players continue to play and enjoy their experience here.

As for me, my experience was totally ruined when I got around level 50 and tried to experience money camps. Even if it is open there is always some ass-hole sitting/waiting/hiding for you to fuck up and be afk for 1 second too long because god forbid you have to take a shit during that 12 hour camp.

It's been mentioned to me that Devs don't even care if new players leave so clearly all sides will be taken with long time players who have control over anything they wish. Maybe I just don't belong on a server controlled by Hitler and his minions.

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by Ducket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have absolutely no issues waiting for a camp. My problem is with people rotating camps out with their friends/guildies for days on end.

I think you are looking at the problem through rainbow covered glasses because people who actually want to have a chance don't even get it due to the current system which is abused heavily.

Deru stated that whacky corpse lines can't be made. Yet people work whacky corpse lines and nothing can be done about it. So why is it even mentioned that it can't be done when in fact, it is done and nothing comes of it.

Players who do their corpsing at odd hours when no one else is around, fine.. I have no issues with those players. But what about those players who are doing it during peak hours and rotating out the spawns with their fellow guildies/friends via corpsing and adding themselves back to their list.

There are actually people like myself who give a shit and when we roll by and see that kind of thing happening we won't even bother wasting our time asking to be added to the list because 1) They will probably just ignore your messages about a list or being added to it 2) Won't even bother calling you when it would be your turn because lists don't even matter 'only the current camp holder has rights to say who is next'.

The majority of the servers loot/camp rules are vague, bent, and abused. I understand this is a free server and you can try and shove that down my throat all you want, or even ban me because I'm not bending to your mighty Dev powers but I'd like to think I'm one of the good people who likes to see new players continue to play and enjoy their experience here.

As for me, my experience was totally ruined when I got around level 50 and tried to experience money camps. Even if it is open there is always some ass-hole sitting/waiting/hiding for you to fuck up and be afk for 1 second too long because god forbid you have to take a shit during that 12 hour camp.

It's been mentioned to me that Devs don't even care if new players leave so clearly all sides will be taken with long time players who have control over anything they wish. Maybe I just don't belong on a server controlled by Hitler and his minions.

Hyperbole much? Calling dev's and staff Hitler? I think you need to take a deep breathe, you really wont win like this[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ducket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for me, my experience was totally ruined when I got around level 50 and tried to experience money camps. Even if it is open there is always some ass-hole sitting/waiting/hiding for you to fuck up and be afk for 1 second too long

waiting for you to fuck up? what server do you play on? on this one, TMO will just train you and get away with it.

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Ducket [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been mentioned to me that Devs don't even care if new players leave so clearly all sides will be taken with long time players who have control over anything they wish. Maybe I just don't belong on a server controlled by Hitler and his minions.

Also you are extremely delusional and confused ,how have you made it this far in real life?

[Ducket]

Originally Posted by Jfertal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also you are extremely delusional and confused ,how have you made it this far in real life?

I bet you are pleasant to be around...

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Ducket

It's been mentioned to me that Devs don't even care if new players leave so clearly all sides will be taken with long time players who have control over anything they wish. Maybe I just don't belong on a server controlled by Hitler and his minions.

The majority of the servers loot/camp rules are vague, bent, and abused. I understand this is a free server and you can try and shove that down my throat all you want, or even ban me because I'm not bending to your mighty Dev powers but I'd like to think I'm one of the good people who likes to see new players continue to play and enjoy their experience here.

As for me, my experience was totally ruined when I got around level 50 and tried to experience money camps. Even if it is open there is always some ass-hole sitting/waiting/hiding for you to fuck up and be afk for 1 second too long because god forbid you have to take a shit during that 12 hour camp

The Development team doesn't make rules on the server at all. You're singling out someone who literally had no hand in the creation of the system you are upset about. CSR makes the rules and regulations, and is a completely separate unit entirely (though we still interact often).

The Guides and GM's who both set and enforce the rules here get to enjoy a "macro" view of what's going on during the day to day across the server - something a player, who likely only sees a small sliver of the overall activity in any given 24 hour period, doesn't get to experience. For example, when these threads starting popping up about item corpsing and AC ring monopolies, I pulled up the last 500 ancient cyclops kills in OOT. Since the beginning of November (~10 days ago) we've had 35 different people get an AC ring. The group of people that are being singled out for monopolizing the camp have maybe been there a week, and plenty of other people have gotten them during that time too. Those numbers tell me that things are fine and this is just a handful of people talking themselves into a panic that is blown out of proportion.

Originally Posted by Naprox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Way to not so elegantly spit on us.

You just overtly said "piss off, Nilbog doesn't give a shit that this behavior is caustic and causes more harm than good, we're going to do it because it's classic."

Nilbog started this server out of a desire to create an emulation of Classic EQ as it was up to and during Velious. Little details such as when patches were implemented, where we reside on the timeline, and the quirks of technology limitations are all paid attention to wherever possible. If a change - like con color no longer displaying on the target window, or the map/compass being removed - is classic, but hated by most or even all, the Development Team is ok with that. My wording was poorly phrased, but the meaning is the same.

CSR staff follows a similar philosophy when setting rules for the server - while writing the PnP, I ripped the old Live Play Nice Policy off in its entirety, changing it to fit Project 1999 where needed - but much of the original wording is there, and nearly all of the original rules are present.

Project 1999 is Classic Everquest, with a handful of exceptions. If that's not what you want to play, we won't take offense if you leave.


Lastly,

Originally Posted by Naprox

Unfortunately, you can do nothing to change their behavior which will truly address it permanently. There are too many ways to circumvent the system which you have loosely setup in an effort to provide maximum enjoyment to the largest percentage of the player base.

This is a tiny percentage of the population, and when these issues come up, that's why we have Guide's with much more power and freedom than Guide's ever did on live, so that they can resolve disputes as needed. If you feel there is a problem, use the petition system. As I stated above, after reviewing the issue being discussed multiple times (not just today, we just addressed this in a meeting recently) I truly feel things are fine. Or to respond in classic GM fashion:

Working as intended.

[Ele]

would love to see sky key corpsing gone. Count me in.

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

would love to see sky key corpsing gone. Count me in.

oh my, this be interesting.