Ok. Don't kid yourselves anymore about Ebola.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You're welcome. Because science.

DDDDUUUUUUHHHHHH people be stupid yo.

[stormlord]

If one is going to be frightened of Ebola they should already be frightened by a myraid of issues in the world. There're so many things we can die from. Admittedly, it's far worse in developing countries, but the shadow of death hangs over us all. One wonders how developing nations survive, considering developed nations suffer too.

Leading causes of death in the US:
1 Heat Attack
2 Cancer
3 Chronic lower respiratory diseases
4 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
5 Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6 Alzheimer's disease
7 Diabetes
8 Influenza and Pneumonia
9 Kidney disease: Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis
10 Intentional self-harm (suicide): ~40,000 deaths

* The top 10 causes account for ~75% of all deaths
* The top 3 causes account for over 50% of all deaths

The difference between developed countries and developing is stark. For example, 30,000 people in India die per year from Rabies. Rabies is a ~100% fatal viral infection if not vaccinated against before it enters the nervous system and can incubate for many years there. In the US, by comparison, only a couple people die per year on average. And yet Rabies is almost never detected in the sufferer until the final stages of the infection. This is a combination of the sufferer being unaware and the high cost and time involved detecting it in its incubation stage. Hence, Rabies also tends to spread via organ donations in developed countries. Human to human infection by other means is not yet documented.

Much of the high death toll due to Rabies in India is related to them not vaccinating enough animals. And the comparably higher cost of a human vaccination means vaccinating the animals is the best option.

Btw, thousands of animals per year are killed in the US because of suspect Rabies infection. Bats, by far, are probably the greatest Rabies' host. Thankfully, I think most don't come out during the day.

In any case, OP, you're right. If trained professionals in protective gear are failing, average civilians will almost surely fail hard. That doesn't mean Ebola is a serious threat to life in the US, but it might be if it spreads. Yet think for a moment: If it ever becomes bad in the US, it'll be living hell for developing countries.

I hope they make a vaccine. Developing nations need a lot of help. God, I could barely read a story in National Geographic about the Aids/genocide crisis in Africa in the 1980's. Those people went through hell.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In any case, OP, you're right. If trained professionals in protective gear are failing, average civilians will almost surely fail hard. That doesn't mean Ebola is a serious threat to life in the US, but it might be if it spreads. Yet think for a moment: If it ever becomes bad in the US, it'll be living hell for developing countries.

I hope they make a vaccine. Developing nations need a lot of help. God, I could barely read a story in National Geographic about the Aids/genocide crisis in Africa in the 1980's. Those people went through hell.

You're probably correct about Ebola not being a huge threat but I just wish that those in charge, like the CDC, would do their goddamned jobs and act to protect us by providing the correct training to healthcare providers, at the very fucking least. It really makes me concerned about sending troops to Africa who aren't properly trained. They're gonna be handling fluids, etc. This whole EbolaCare thing has shown us (the people) that we as a country are not prepared for a pandemic, nor are we being protected from anything because of bullshit reasons, i.e. political correctness being concern #1.

An example: I was watching the news a few days ago and they had this woman on, talking shit that we (the US) want to close incoming flights from infected areas because we're fucking racist. That sort of bullshit is what's gonna give the republicans the senate in a couple weeks. Fucking idiots. They should know people are sick and tired of the race card being played for literally everything.

Lol. Poor Obama. Even black people are starting to hate his ass. And can you even believe the person with no medical experience he appointed to be the new Ebola czar? Haha!! Worst president ever. Good legacy there, Barry. Maybe Michelle should be president, even though she always looking like she's chewing her own face, the ugly bitch with the nasty-ass school lunches. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...spell-out-why/

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[JPMorgan]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Poor Obama. Even black people are starting to hate his ass. And can you even believe the person with no medical experience he appointed to be the new Ebola czar? Haha!! Worst president ever. Good legacy there, Barry. Maybe Michelle should be president, even though she always looking like she's chewing her own face, the ugly bitch with the nasty-ass school lunches. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...spell-out-why/

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The whole reason Obama had to appoint an Ebola Czar is because idiot republicans blocked the man he appointed to be the Surgeon General. The reason?

He's pro-gun control.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by JPMorgan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole reason Obama had to appoint an Ebola Czar is because idiot republicans blocked the man he appointed to be the Surgeon General. The reason?

He's pro-gun control.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nati...dyL/story.html

Republicans, however, noted that Democrats who control the Senate could have confirmed Murthy without any help from Republicans under rule changes enacted last year that allow confirmation with a simple majority.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid has declined to put the nomination up for a vote, with a leadership aide telling the Globe in March that there was uncertainty over whether some Democrats would support it. The White House said at the time that it was readjusting its strategy after a nomination for another high-level post failed. (A White House spokesman, asked to comment on the nomination, responded by e-mail that the surgeon general plays “an important role in the education of Americans on public health issues.”)

“Senator Reid has not yet tried to bring up the nomination, due, no doubt, to the bipartisan opposition,” Don Stewart, spokesman for minority leader Mitch McConnell, said in an e-mail.

So what happened here? Why did the senate (democrats) not want this guy?

[Raev]

So just because only 3 people have been infected does not mean that countermeasures are completely worthless.

I do not know how contagious Ebola really is: I've seen differing opinions and I am not going to read the journals to figure out who is lying. But it seems likely that an outbreak that could kill thousands of people is possible, though extremely unlikely, and we EverQuesters all know that eventually the RNG will decide to fuck you.

Training 3 million nurses is probably overkill, but denying entry to people who could have been infected seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're probably correct about Ebola not being a huge threat but I just wish that those in charge, like the CDC, would do their goddamned jobs and act to protect us by providing the correct training to healthcare providers, at the very fucking least. It really makes me concerned about sending troops to Africa who aren't properly trained. They're gonna be handling fluids, etc. This whole EbolaCare thing has shown us (the people) that we as a country are not prepared for a pandemic, nor are we being protected from anything because of bullshit reasons, i.e. political correctness being concern #1.

You want them to spend valuable time training every healthcare worker in the country to deal with a disease that has so far affected 3 people here? You do realize there are hundreds, if not thousands, of diseases/conditions that affect more people than that and we can't train them on everything? You start with the big stuff. If an Ebola outbreak hits, you can bet there will be more training. Until then, it's not worth it. There are roughly 3 million nurses in America. If we spent 20 hours each to properly train them, that's 60 million man hours of training. That's somewhere north of $1B for training. Assuming this training led to a 100% success rate in preventing the spread of the disease, it would mean thus far a reduction of 2 cases of Ebola. Or you could spend that money on other shit and save thousands of lives.

Also, what evidence do you have that the troops going to Africa aren't being properly trained? My brother is trying to join a program that sends nurses over to Liberia and part of it is a 2 week training program at the CDC HQ. And part of the reason they have this program is so that those who gain experience are spread around the country so that they can train others if the need arises.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want them to spend valuable time training every healthcare worker in the country to deal with a disease that has so far affected 3 people here? You do realize there are hundreds, if not thousands, of diseases/conditions that affect more people than that and we can't train them on everything? You start with the big stuff. If an Ebola outbreak hits, you can bet there will be more training. Until then, it's not worth it. There are roughly 3 million nurses in America. If we spent 20 hours each to properly train them, that's 60 million man hours of training. That's somewhere north of $1B for training. Assuming this training led to a 100% success rate in preventing the spread of the disease, it would mean thus far a reduction of 2 cases of Ebola. Or you could spend that money on other shit and save thousands of lives.

No, that's not what I was getting at. Training every single hospital would be impractical and ridiculous. But I do think they should have designated a handful of hospitals to be prepared specifically for receiving and properly caring for Ebola patients who test positive.

As for the rest of the hospitals throughout the country, there should have been a better screening and quarantine protocol in every hospital based on certain criteria; recent trip to Africa + symptoms. If someone tests positive, ship them to a hospital that's specially equipped and staffed with Ebola-trained medical people, not baby nurses who just got out of nursing school in August. Thomas Duncan should have never been turned away from that Dallas hospital, and he wouldn't have been if there had been a strict procedure to follow for the simple fact that he just arrived in the US from West Africa and had Ebola symptoms.

Originally Posted by Orruar

Also, what evidence do you have that the troops going to Africa aren't being properly trained? My brother is trying to join a program that sends nurses over to Liberia and part of it is a 2 week training program at the CDC HQ. And part of the reason they have this program is so that those who gain experience are spread around the country so that they can train others if the need arises.

Excellent, if this is what they're doing.