Real Question here

[arsenalpow]

I at least have the health of the server and the enjoyment of the small guilds in mind, that's my frustration. If wanted to maximize my own pixels I'd join a class C guild or put BDA in class C. IB and TMO are so goddamn shortsighted when it comes to this. Locking down content indefinitely will eventually be the death of this server. Right now most people don't realize how the end game is currently setup and the difficult choices one must make to see content. What happens when that message is loud and clear? People will stop going on the journey if they full well know they'll likely never accomplish their goals.

The point of p99 is to experience raid content. Currently the biggest problem with experiencing this content is where class c and r overlap and the FrapsQuest shit that plays out (this also happens at every class C raid). Making new rules or changing to different rules doesn't fix the problem. The root issue has to be addressed.

[Daldaen]

Class C / Class R alternation with full FFA repops is a good resolution to these problems.

It sounds like Class C guilds don't want to CotH duck and they won't have to if they agree with this. Unless they start doing that to each other...

I do tend to agree that making VP completely blocked from Class R is dumb. However making that a Class C / Class R split wouldn't be fair. It should be more of a Class C / C / C / R or C / C / R. So that maybe once a month or every 3 weeks it's a Class R rotation. Due to low numbers of keys it may end up being a conglomerate of guilds doing the VP dragons. It would be pretty neat if that week was an "All Class R guild members who are keyed may join".

Removing or reducing variance would be cool too.

But I don't see Class C agreeing to even every 4th VP spawn is Class R, cause then they lose pixels and losing the possibility of a crown may cause aneurysms. I'm sure there were a few strokes at losing 2 FFA VSes in the past month. I can't imagine them giving up precious PDs.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C / C / R

I can get behind this.

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[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can get behind this.

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For VP? Sounds good, let's make it so.

[Thulack]

They already think they are giving too much to casuals. They won't agree to letting anymore blooming onions fall through their fingers.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They already think they are giving too much to casuals. They won't agree to letting anymore blooming onions fall through their fingers.

The fact that they think they're giving anything to casuals is the whole problem with the raid scene.

[mrmop520]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like why is Veeshan's Peak Class C and not FFA? I mean the R guilds are straight up forbidden from even trying it.

They're not prohibited; they just become class C if they kill one. There are a few guilds that could do fine as a class C guild... it's not like VP fte racing / kills are that tough to win, just takes practice. With VP as C only, it provides incentive to move to class C and compete for mobs in the same manner as the ffa / c spawns.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class C is the problem. They've always been the problem. Working with TMO and IB is like pulling fucking teeth. Anytime class C is involved in anything the entire situation usually turns to shit. I get it, they want pixels and they'll do anything to get them, that's their playstyle, but that mentality is only favored by 10-15% of the server and unfortunately that minority is allowed to dictate raid progression for the other 10+ guilds.

Actually TMO is very willing to work with others. Sorry you're so jaded you can't see that. On another note, deru says alterations can be made, is the raid forum the only place for this? It seems it's very void of discussion or one guild says "we don't agree" then just ghosts the convo...

[Raev]

Originally Posted by mrmop520 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With VP as C only, it provides incentive to move to class C and compete for mobs in the same manner as the ffa / c spawns.

I think one of the big things that the staff has failed to understand is that Class R/C is not about playtime; its about playstyle. I'm sure I play more than quite a few people in Class C; the difference is that I choose not to spend my time sitting there waiting on raid targets. And I do not understand why the artificial and non-classic timesinks that are involved in "competing" for mobs on this server should be encouraged.

[kotton05]

A lot of bitterness here raev... All the mobs spawn during the weekend then class c is the same as class r we group and play eq.... It's not much different.