Guildwar 2.0

[cured]

As far as race war...I did that and I love it. But given this server's PvP population will be pretty low, it's best to have PvPers guilding with people they enjoy playing with. Let the halfling druids cast dots on each other, I say.

What needs to happen for this to be really successful is to have at least two guilds of upper-level players who can play the PvE and PvP game, rather than just twinks who will fade out when they realize the other twinks aren't logged on.

[cured]

Would it be possible to have a PvP rank within guilds? So anyone not in the rank wouldn't be flagged but everyone else would? That'd make the system great...you could have continual, open war with other guilds. The invulnerable healer thing may be an issue but at least players could stay guilded and PvP.

[Tallenn]

Geez, all I asked for was a way to opt-out if my guild decides to /guildwar, instead of having to /guildremove for the duration of it. What's so bad about that?

The server has been the way it is since inception. This would be a major change to it, effecting a lot of people that have ABSOLUTELY ZERO interest in PvP, who joined it with the knowledge that there was no PvP outside of The Arena, city arenas, and duels. Yes, I know there was /guildwar in classic. However, I never saw anyone use it, or even heard of anyone that was using it. I think it was brought up for discussion in one of the guilds I was in once in live. It was shot down visciously and immediately, and yes, I was one of the most vocal in that discussion. As far as I can see, this topic hasn't yet been brought up on my guild's boards. If it is, I will voice my opinion there, as well.

This is why so many people spoke out against it on the thread asking for an all-volunteer PvP zone accessed from EC tunnel. Now you want guildwar functionality. Give you an inch, you take two inches, give you three, you ask for four. Give a n******* a rope, he wants to be a cowboy.

[cured]

Originally Posted by Tallenn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why so many people spoke out against it on the thread asking for an all-volunteer PvP zone accessed from EC tunnel. Now you want guildwar functionality. Give you an inch, you take two inches, give you three, you ask for four. Give a n******* a rope, he wants to be a cowboy.

A PvP zone is just an arena, nothing more.

Give a n******* a rope, he wants to be a cowboy.

Explain yourself.

[jyaku]

why not just make a /pvp (on/off) command, limit it to one "flip" per 24hour, the zone out thing also. or maybe just change the priest of discord to respond to commands that are the pvp on/off so that you can't just turn it off out in the field. instead of forcing people to choose sides, just make it total FFA across the server but you have a choice of doing it. i remember one Ultima online shard had something to that effect, you could choose to be flaged NoN PVPable sence everybody was able to be killed at any time. same idea just opposite effect. as for the balancing, would there be a way to fix the resists/spells to effect players differently than NPCs. Again using UO as a basis from free shards changing stuff like that, not sure on how EQ coding would work to that effect

[Tallenn]

Originally Posted by jyaku [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why not just make a /pvp (on/off) command, limit it to one "flip" per 24hour, the zone out thing also. or maybe just change the priest of discord to respond to commands that are the pvp on/off so that you can't just turn it off out in the field. instead of forcing people to choose sides, just make it total FFA across the server but you have a choice of doing it. i remember one Ultima online shard had something to that effect, you could choose to be flaged NoN PVPable sence everybody was able to be killed at any time. same idea just opposite effect. as for the balancing, would there be a way to fix the resists/spells to effect players differently than NPCs. Again using UO as a basis from free shards changing stuff like that, not sure on how EQ coding would work to that effect

Some good ideas there. All of it seems to be completely voluntary, so I have no problem with them. As far as balance, as long as it doesn't affect PvE, I could give two shits.

[Extunarian]

Tallen, you are getting a little out of hand here. If your guild decides to guild war in spite of your protesting, perhaps it isn't the right guild for you.

jyaku - that idea probably should be discussed outside of this thread. This is a thread about Rogean's proposed guild war rules. Start a new one if you want to discuss changing the way individuals use the PoD.

None of the guilds on the server today were formed to PvP, and as such they will have members who would participate in pvp, and members who have no interest in doing so. Either a realignment of PvPers into PvP guilds will take place, or people will roll alts to participate in those PvP guilds. It won't be the end of the world and no one will care in 2 weeks. Remember OMG NO GLOBAL OOC??!!!

[Taluvill]

The only thing I would say is cut the reward system.

Just let us fight.

[cured]

Anyways, are going to get two guildleaders for this or are we going to have the NPCs take care of it for us?

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by cured [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyways, are going to get two guildleaders for this or are we going to have the NPCs take care of it for us?

The good vs evil is just a side idea, Rogean never said it is happening. If it did happen yes, it would need to be NPC, not player driven.

The whole point is for players who don't want to be in a pvp guild, or any guild for that matter. I don't think the guild should even get guild chat. Its just a way for loners to participate in the new guildwar pvp system.

People were asking if player guilds would be able to declare war on the NPC evil/good guilds. I think they should be able to, and it wouldn't be something you could accept/decline if you were in the NPC guild. If any guild wanted to declare war on the loners they should be able to. It should work the same as if a player guild declared war on another, except it would be auto accepted.