Raid Rule Madness

[Fazlazen]

poor BDA...

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO's actual complaint was about a violation of the tracker/FTE/Engagement rule.

i'm perfectly happy to serve a sentence if rules are going to be strictly enforced

this is what makes the severilous - taken ruling particularly confusing

there's no way to misinterpret what happened on sunday, and it seems like we are all in agreement (other than the GMs and Taken)

subjective punishments and rules enforcement burn people out

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Locust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm perfectly happy to serve a sentence if rules are going to be strictly enforced

this is what makes the severilous - taken ruling particularly confusing

there's no way to misinterpret what happened on sunday, and it seems like we are all in agreement (other than the GMs and Taken)

subjective punishments and rules enforcement burn people out

I wholeheartedly agree.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

motivation is irrelevant. what happened at that naggy wasn't against the rules. as i said before, if it is, it needs to be changed before velious drops so that people aren't raid suspended for tagging faction hits off tormax/dain/yelinak.

When you engaged nagafen you joined forces with taken. Each force is allowed 2 trackers. This was especially important when trackers were your cleric and warrior duos. You had a total of 4 trackers which was against raid rules. If it was allowed to stand, tmo could break into several guilds that kill targets together and have many more trackers, engagers, cothers, etc. At each spawn .

[Man0warr]

Except Taken and BDA weren't teamed up. No loot was split, no words were shared.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you engaged nagafen you joined forces with taken. Each force is allowed 2 trackers. This was especially important when trackers were your cleric and warrior duos. You had a total of 4 trackers which was against raid rules. If it was allowed to stand, tmo could break into several guilds that kill targets together and have many more trackers, engagers, cothers, etc. At each spawn.

except taken and BDA are clearly not working in collusion here. even that dumbass hitpoint can agree to that. you can make up unlikely scenarios that fit your cause all you want, but that doesn't make you any more correct.

TMO is just jealous that BDA had fun at a naggy spawn, and they're trying to get BDA in trouble for it because TMO did not have fun. learn to be cooperative. learn sportsmanship. stop indiscriminately shitting all over every other raider on the server.

maybe then you'll get to have fun, too.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except taken and BDA are clearly not working in collusion here. even that dumbass hitpoint can agree to that. you can make up unlikely scenarios that fit your cause all you want, but that doesn't make you any more correct.

TMO is just jealous that BDA had fun at a naggy spawn, and they're trying to get BDA in trouble for it because TMO did not have fun. learn to be cooperative. learn sportsmanship. stop indiscriminately shitting all over every other raider on the server.

maybe then you'll get to have fun, too.

Poor Samoht (Variety)

[Servellious]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

except taken and BDA are clearly not working in collusion here. even that dumbass hitpoint can agree to that. you can make up unlikely scenarios that fit your cause all you want, but that doesn't make you any more correct.

TMO is just jealous that BDA had fun at a naggy spawn, and they're trying to get BDA in trouble for it because TMO did not have fun. learn to be cooperative. learn sportsmanship. stop indiscriminately shitting all over every other raider on the server.

maybe then you'll get to have fun, too.

All these raid rules were asked for now just learn to follow the rules

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Servellious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All these raid rules were asked for now just learn to follow the rules

except there's no rule against what happened at that naggy. and if there is a rule, it needs to be removed before velious so that people can get faction hits on tormax/dain/yelinak regardless of who got FTE.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you engaged nagafen you joined forces with taken. Each force is allowed 2 trackers. This was especially important when trackers were your cleric and warrior duos. You had a total of 4 trackers which was against raid rules. If it was allowed to stand, tmo could break into several guilds that kill targets together and have many more trackers, engagers, cothers, etc. At each spawn .

Taken, I believe, had a warrior and BP cleric as their trackers. We likely had a ranger at the zone in at the time of the spawn. But hey, you guys want to be vindictive and petty, go for it. I was really disappointed and saddened to see the GMs ascribe to your version of events and even more puzzled by the punishment ultimately handed down.

The Sev ruling continues to only muddy the waters in terms of what is allowable behavior when contesting mobs. From these two instances I gather that having fun and engaging a mob that is clearly dead is punishable with a 4 month suspension from that mob while denying a fair engagement and ignoring FTE messages is encouraged.

Things like this really make one question whether this server is worth the investment of my time anymore.