The Left Goblin Ear Problem

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Temig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going to jump on this thread with a similar situation and see if this was handled properly:

Location: Unrest
Situation: Group camping MR. Another group set up at back door. MR group has been there for awhile and has been clearing basically the entire first floor before anything re-pops. When back door group shows up, MR group leaves that room and the back hall spawns alone. Eventually the back group starts running around the front of the house looking for spawns (going through all the side rooms) and eventually grabs one and brings it back to their camp. I've been pulling for MR and see it so I whisper the puller and ask that they keep to the back since we're camping the mobs and get a reply along the lines of "If there are mobs up because you can't keep up with the spawns, I'm going to pull them." I replied stating that we were, indeed, keeping up with the spawns as evidenced by the fact that they needed to run around and do 3 laps through the side rooms just to find that one mob that had just spawned. There were a few other messages including their puller's belief that MR meant just MR (the 3 spawn points) and I replied stating that I'd simply never seen the side-rooms as contested spawns so long as the group was keeping them all cleared. In the end, the back group apparently decided to just keep killing the spawns at the rear of the house and my group continued to kill what we had been. I still feel like my take on the situation was perfectly reasonable, but upon reading this thread I'm not 100% sure. We handled the situation without any CSR intervention, which is good, but for future reference, what would the official policy be on something like this in terms of defining these camps? (I'd try to draw my own conclusions based on what was stated regarding HHK but I've never done the camp there so I have no idea how (dis)similar it is to my scenario.)

Regardless of whether he felt that it was all one camp or not, the point is that we gladly gave up the back room per PnP camping policy. We weren't under any obligation to give up additional camps to that group.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Temig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going to jump on this thread with a similar situation and see if this was handled properly:

Location: Unrest
Situation: Group camping MR. Another group set up at back door. MR group has been there for awhile and has been clearing basically the entire first floor before anything re-pops. When back door group shows up, MR group leaves that room and the back hall spawns alone. Eventually the back group starts running around the front of the house looking for spawns (going through all the side rooms) and eventually grabs one and brings it back to their camp. I've been pulling for MR and see it so I whisper the puller and ask that they keep to the back since we're camping the mobs and get a reply along the lines of "If there are mobs up because you can't keep up with the spawns, I'm going to pull them." I replied stating that we were, indeed, keeping up with the spawns as evidenced by the fact that they needed to run around and do 3 laps through the side rooms just to find that one mob that had just spawned. There were a few other messages including their puller's belief that MR meant just MR (the 3 spawn points) and I replied stating that I'd simply never seen the side-rooms as contested spawns so long as the group was keeping them all cleared. In the end, the back group apparently decided to just keep killing the spawns at the rear of the house and my group continued to kill what we had been. I still feel like my take on the situation was perfectly reasonable, but upon reading this thread I'm not 100% sure. We handled the situation without any CSR intervention, which is good, but for future reference, what would the official policy be on something like this in terms of defining these camps? (I'd try to draw my own conclusions based on what was stated regarding HHK but I've never done the camp there so I have no idea how (dis)similar it is to my scenario.)

I think the fact that you worked it out without CSR is the best way to do it, but technically if you can't see the spawns from your camp they can contest them. Something like that seems to be what is typically enforced.

[no chewie dont]

Have u tried waiting til he pulls then harmtouching him? Thats what I would do, wouldnt have even bothered with a thread

[GinnasP99]

That's so Bregan

[Man0warr]

If I come to a camp that a solo person or a group is camping, I move on, not rules lawyer them.

There's is no difference on the number of people at a camp if they are capable of killing all the spawns.

[ManosMan]

One 60 is always going to be capable of killing all the spawns at any number of lowbie camps. I'm really not getting how you don't see the difference between that one person monopolizing everything versus 6 people sharing it.

[Man0warr]

No I don't see the difference - the goblins drop something I wanted, and were unclaimed when I got there. Doesn't matter what level I am.

Do a group of 30s deserve the Hooded Black Cloak camp more than a single level 60? Or a group of 50s deserve Efreeti more than a solo 60 shaman?

[ManosMan]

So a full group of lowbies wanting to get in on the goblins would have gotten the same stonewall from you? And that wouldn't make you feel bad? Or embarrassed?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On the subject of sharing camps. What about 2 hour and 3 hour spawns and hell, even 8 and 12 and 24 hour spawns?

I imagine if u log out in between spawns, you have no claim on the camp. So if multiple people log in for the purpose of killing the mob when it respawns, who owns the camp?

example:

2 hours
Chardok Royals (overking, queen, prince)

3 hours
Tolapumj
Sebilite Protector

8 hours
King Tranix
Warlord Skarlon
Magi Roykyl

12 hours
Phinny
Ishva

12+ hours velious
Lodizal
...am I getting too far ahead of myself here?

Anyways, I don't think anyone can dispute that the rules for these mobs aren't covered by normal camp rules. nobody stays logged on for the duration of the timer that these mobs are on to consider them as being camp and cleared of phs because there is no phs.

When the mob dies, the group that killed it knows the timer and logs back in to kill it before it repops. What if another person or group starts showing up at the same time? Who is now camping the mob - first person in the area or first group capable of killing it? Is it an FTE race? If it is not considered a raid mob, then what rules cover it?

If you log out, you are not camping the mob, even if you know the kill timer. When you log out, you lose claim to the camp. Very cut and dry rule.

[Victorio]

Ishva is 36 hours not 12 =P