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[Tradesonred]

Yea for sure, cameras on cops good, cameras everywhere bad

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

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Simpsons knew what's up.

[iruinedyourday]

Can someone enplane to me how in real life cameras everywhere has proven to be a bad thing, and not cite a science fiction novel as evidence to the contrary?

like where in your daily life or anyone for that matter does a camera on a street corner cause good people to be put in bad situations?

London has cameras all over, are they living in a dystopia because of it?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can someone enplane to me how in real life cameras everywhere has proven to be a bad thing, and not cite a science fiction novel as evidence to the contrary?

like where in your daily life or anyone for that matter does a camera on a street corner cause good people to be put in bad situations?

London has cameras all over, are they living in a dystopia because of it?

I suggest you research traffic light cameras to figure out the inherent potential issues with keeping surveillance on every area possible. Remember, there is a monetary cost involved to not only set up but to man and maintain such a system.

In traffic light cameras for example, they stopped profiting on red light tickets because people figured out which lights were safe to go through and which ones weren't so the bureaucracy decided to start ticketing speeding via the system. The same thing happened so they started ticketing jaywalking, etc..

You use London as an example, there's one camera for every eleven people in that entire nation and yet in only one out of a thousand crimes did the presence of CCTV help with any investigation. Look up the safety reports yourself, crime/accidents/violence rates across the board are virtually unaffected since the addition of the CCTV surveillance.

Now imagine that but in America where the authorities are guaranteed to find every way they can to exploit such a system to squeeze every penny out of citizen's pockets. Do you really want to be fined for littering every time a wrapper or piece of paper falls out of your pocket when you reach for your phone or car keys?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suggest you research traffic light cameras to figure out the inherent potential issues with keeping surveillance on every area possible. Remember, there is a monetary cost involved to not only set up but to man and maintain such a system.

In traffic light cameras for example, they stopped profiting on red light tickets because people figured out which lights were safe to go through and which ones weren't so the bureaucracy decided to start ticketing speeding via the system. The same thing happened so they started ticketing jaywalking, etc..

You use London as an example, there's one camera for every eleven people in that entire nation and yet in only one out of a thousand crimes did the presence of CCTV help with any investigation. Look up the safety reports yourself, crime/accidents/violence rates across the board are virtually unaffected since the addition of the CCTV surveillance.

Now imagine that but in America where the authorities are guaranteed to find every way they can to exploit such a system to squeeze every penny out of citizen's pockets. Do you really want to be fined for littering every time a wrapper or piece of paper falls out of your pocket when you reach for your phone or car keys?

Yea I by no means am saying put cameras everywhere and then also use them to write tickets and arrest people... having a camera everywhere for review during a legal case only would be a fine way to go about business becuse eye witness or whatever is archaic and silly to rely on. Its 2014 ffs, we can do better.

A lot of crimes are caught on tape currently and we don't even have these cameras I'm talkn about.. hell a camera caught Michael brown being aggressive and may help shed light on the entire case as it is.

It isnt really a argument that needs to be had to be honest, the reality is within the next 10 years everyone we'll have a camera on them, they'll be so small you'll be able to paint them onto a wall with a paintbrush I'm sure, google will have live 360 degree imagery of every major city with every small town soon to follow.

I really am not up to speed with the details of CCTV and how well it works now, but overall I think its a good direction. I don't see a database of video as a bad thing for any investigation, even if it helps 1% of the time.

[radditsu]

St Louis is a dirt town. I would go crazy and shoot people if I had to live there. Kansas city at least has bbq. And Kansas City is terrrrrrrible

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

What could be wrong about requiring all cops to wear cameras? Not that expensive, would solve all these problems. I don't see the downside of that. Any of you have a reasonable objection?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by DetroitVelvetSmooth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What could be wrong about requiring all cops to wear cameras? Not that expensive, would solve all these problems. I don't see the downside of that. Any of you have a reasonable objection?

They work . The problem is that there are so many vendors out there with trash product. We use a provision system that is awful. (Yes I do support for a police dept) . Also most police depts have no idea the amount of storage space keeping video for YEARS is. I believe that shit gets lost unintentionally all the time.


A) Police officers are computer dumb
B) Police management never makes good decisions about product.
C) there is a ton of wear and ttear on these systems and product fails alot.

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more looting scum

[Tradesonred]

The problem with arguments like threse is it takes low level street crime, makes it the main problem in society while white collar crime is looting the fuck out of the public treasury with for example bogus wars that profits corporations, transforms countries like iraq into wastelands, thats the real crime. Your public funds are getting looted each year giving money to Israel so it can make its citizens lives in danger with reckless killing of palestinian civilians, taking over their lands. It also doesnt take any historical context in consideration regarding crime and poverty often because of racist unwillingness to look at those things. White crooks laughing all the way to the bank.