SO.. BUSH WAS AN IDIOT??

[Faron]

It's not that people don't believe in climate change, it's that they don't believe in the politicized side of it - that humans have any significant impact on it.

[toosweet]

Both sides lie to you and jam it in your asses.
Wake the fuck up!!!

[Ahldagor]

climate change is real. so why not reduce the influence on it that humans have? the end game of the process is an atmosphere like mars or venus.

[Glenzig]

Has the environment been adversely affected by greedy corporations since the dawn of the industrial age? Absolutely!
Does that mean that global warming is a real and present danger? Absolutely not!
Its widely known that the data behind global warming is sketchy at best, an outright lie at worst. Anyone who has their ear to the wall so to speak knows this. Doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that people like Al Gore are just shills for a bigger agenda.

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We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster, or for dramatic social change to come and bomb us into the Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our Appropriate Technology, our gardens, our homemade religion, guilt-free at last.

– Stewart Brand, 1980 (quoted in: Rodes and Odell, A Dictionary of Environmental Quotations, Johns Hopkins University Press, 1997, p. 90)
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Curing a body of cancer requires radical and invasive therapy, and therefore, curing the biosphere of the human virus will also require a radical and invasive approach.

– Paul Watson (founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society), May 04, 2007
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We have become a plague upon [ourselves and upon] the Earth…Until such a time as Homo sapiens should decide to rejoin nature, some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along.

– David M. Graber, Los Angeles Times, 22 October 1989 (in Rodes and Odell, op. cit., p. 149)
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[T]he hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens… us. …When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth’s biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory…

– The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
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Given the total, absolute, and final disappearance of Homo sapiens, then, not only would the Earth’s Community of life continue to exist but in all probability its well-being would be enhanced. Our presence, in short, is not needed. And if we were to take the standpoint of that Life Community and give voice to its true interest, the ending of the human epoch on Earth would most likely be greeted with a hearty “Good riddance!”

– Paul W. Taylor, Respect for Nature: A Theory of Environmental Ethics, Princeton University Press, 1986, p. 115

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does that mean that global warming is a real and present danger? Absolutely not!
Its widely known that the data behind global warming is sketchy at best, an outright lie at worst. Anyone who has their ear to the wall so to speak knows this. Doesn't take too much intelligence to realize that people like Al Gore are just shills for a bigger agenda.

Widely known by who? Like I said, among actual scientists who actually study this stuff, the exact opposite is true: it is widely known that there is very strong evidence that global warming is real, serious, and man made.

If you want a hidden agenda, look at who actually stands to lose from global warming laws, and look at how much money they've put in to making you believe that it's "widely known" we shouldn't make laws against them.

[Alenon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Widely known by who? Like I said, among actual scientists who actually study this stuff, the exact opposite is true: it is widely known that there is very strong evidence that global warming is real, serious, and man made.

If you want a hidden agenda, look at who actually stands to lose from global warming laws, and look at how much money they've put in to making you believe that it's "widely known" we shouldn't make laws against them.

I have a master's in atmospheric science and did a study of this at und. Global warming and cooling has been going on millions of years and doesn't need mankind to initiate it. It has always happened and will continue to do so without us. It goes up and down like a wavelength just as our seasons changeange. It's impossible to know, with current observed climo data, that mankind is singlehandedly destroying the earth. At least by global warming. But that's just my conclusions.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Alenon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a master's in atmospheric science and did a study of this at und. Global warming and cooling has been going on millions of years and doesn't need mankind to initiate it. It has always happened and will continue to do so without us. It goes up and down like a wavelength just as our seasons changeange. It's impossible to know, with current observed climo data, that mankind is singlehandedly destroying the earth. At least by global warming. But that's just my conclusions.

possibly relevant, but either way i like the pictures: http://kottke.org/10/07/what-if-the-...opped-spinning

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by phacemeltar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

possibly relevant, but either way i like the pictures: http://kottke.org/10/07/what-if-the-...opped-spinning

How can we stop this global slowing epidemic?

[Lune]

Have you heard about the Lemurians that live below Mt. Shasta? I bet they are wrapped up in all this too.

[Glenzig]

Well here's one example. There are plenty of others out there too. The consensus is not as clear cut as people would like it to be.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-critics.html