Game Mechanics: Rogue hide

[Erati]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't recall player hide skill ever being a factor. Level 1 (brell) rogues for instance were used in the hole. Where's that sourced from?

well level 1 brell rogues are used in the hole bc the elementals wont attack you when you are on Brell faction

and you have IVU with rogue hide/sneak so you can roam around undead area

I dont think lvl 1 rogues in the hole have anything to do with how effective or not their 'hide' was, it was all about dat faction, being able to be sneak by Golems ( dont know if they usually see hide or not ) and IVU

[koros]

Post on the sony board is gone, but Treats is pretty reliable:

Treats
07-06-2012, 02:16 PM
Bump on this I guess. From the Sony board:

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...topic_id=65689

I noticed something strange this weekened. I have leveled a couple characters through Dreadlands, so I know that all Drolvargs can see invis. However, when my Rogue graduated to there, I found that they do not see Hide. Certain Drolvargs inside KC, namely the ones up in the "lookout" positions, can see me, but the others can't. I am not standing behind them.

What is up with this? My theory is that in addition to certain mobs being marked "See Invis", certain mob *types* can see invis, as well. Such as Undead, Drolvarg, and certain Gnolls. Sneak/Hide does not hide you from mobs flagged "See Invis" (Shroud of Stealth does, in general)... but it *does* hide you from mobs that see invis due to their "type".

Is that how it works? Or am I just remembering things incorrectly?

I assume he is referring to the Drolvarg Guardians in the lookout positions?

Others can't (Sentry's)

If it is flagged due to NPC type it will see through See Invis but not Hide? (See Invisible)

If it is marked as See Invis will see through both invisible and hide/sneak? (See Hide)

Examples:

Sol B Bats -- Use Sonar for detection
Mob type Sees invisible and also flagged to See Invisible (Sees Sneak/Hide)

Drolvarg Sentry -- Mob type will See Invisible but Unflagged to See Invisible (Doesn't See Hide/Sneak)
Drolvarg Guardian -- Mob type will See Invisible and also flagged to See Invisible (Sees Hide/Sneak)

Random See Invisible Sebilite Juggernaut -- Mob type does not See Invisible
Flagged in Database to See Invis so will see Invisible and Hide/Sneak??

How certain Mobs were set to See Invisible (But Not See Invisible by body type)?
Possibly just a random low percentage chance? No idea.

Hope this kinda makes sense. Thoughts?

[kanras]

If you have discussion about the skill level stuff, take it to the other thread.

[bulbousaur]

Thanks so much Kanras. I haven't tried to get a DE mask on my rogue yet because this was broken.

[Shiftin]

Did your fix include fixing runspeed scaling? As mentioned in a few threads, runspeed is still significantly impacted by sneaking at 60 where it should not be.

[4WOFURY]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did your fix include fixing runspeed scaling? As mentioned in a few threads, runspeed is still significantly impacted by sneaking at 60 where it should not be.

^ also relevant and included through-out this thread, however, I am just ecstatic about the hide reversion. Tackling it one thing at a time :-)

[Scrubosaur]

More stuff I can't sneak/hide past and have to get someone to clear the way to a group...

goos - dalnir
giants - FM
goblins - SolA
kobolds - SolB

Sucks being a rogue that can't go anywhere!

[Ele]

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2865
Rogue FAQ; Posted August 2000; Last edited July 2001 (Velious Era)

2.4.2 What is the benefit of Sneak-Hide?
Using sneak and hide at the same time (Sneak-Hide) allows a rogue to move while invisible to most mobs and players! The rogue is "invisible" to most mobs and players with the exception of those that can cast "See Invisible". Unlike the spell "Invisibility", sneak-hide has unlimited duration until turned off (like Hide), a spell is cast on the rogue by a spellcaster/bard, or the rogue zones. Sneak-Hide also works against both Undead creatures and regular creatures. However, there is always a minute chance of any mob seeing through your Sneak-Hide and detecting you. Starting at 51st level, you begin to move faster while sneaking. By 60th level, you are at a full run, and this combines with any speed spells.

This skill is highly valued for maneuvering in dungeons, scouting or corpse recovery.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2865
Rogue FAQ; Posted August 2000; Last edited July 2001 (Velious Era)

2.4.2 What is the benefit of Sneak-Hide?
Using sneak and hide at the same time (Sneak-Hide) allows a rogue to move while invisible to most mobs and players! The rogue is "invisible" to most mobs and players with the exception of those that can cast "See Invisible". Unlike the spell "Invisibility", sneak-hide has unlimited duration until turned off (like Hide), a spell is cast on the rogue by a spellcaster/bard, or the rogue zones. Sneak-Hide also works against both Undead creatures and regular creatures. However, there is always a minute chance of any mob seeing through your Sneak-Hide and detecting you. Starting at 51st level, you begin to move faster while sneaking. By 60th level, you are at a full run, and this combines with any speed spells.

This skill is highly valued for maneuvering in dungeons, scouting or corpse recovery.

As to the bold parts - The rogue is "invisible" to most mobs and players with the exception of those that can cast "See Invisible" - it should most likely read - The rogue is "invisible" to most mobs and players with the exception of those PLAYERS that can cast "See Invisible" - as I am unaware of any mobs that purposely cast see invis on other mobs (but possible). You also should have put in bold - a minute chance - as that is the exact opposite of what is on p99.

[Nirgon]

No I completely get it. You want sneak+hide to work like you're always behind the mob. Rogean knows it isn't the case. Glhf going over his head. Its not going to be shroud of stealth, accept it.