Time for me to head out, after this pull.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know, this is hard to understand for people and I am an elitist blacklister because of it right?

How about actually focusing on being a decent fucking person and let the group know when you need to go. To me, they're the elitist ones.

We all have blacklists... Nothing wrong with a blacklist.

[Erica]

It can be frustrating for the rest of the group if something comes up, and the person leaving is the only person who can tank, or the only person who can heal has to leave with no warning. But as people said, things happen. I usually give a 30 minute warning since I often won't login and join a group during the times I know I could have to leave at a moments notice.

The thing that does bother me though, is when someone gives 0 warning when they had known for hours that they would have to leave at that time. For example, "Got to go after this pull, have a college class." or "Got to go after this pull, it's late and I have to work in the morning." When you give no warning in situations like that, then you are just being rude. Either they just aren't considerate, or they don't want to give an early warning in case you are able to replace them quickly and they miss out on that last 5-15 minutes of XP they could have gotten... which is also inconsiderate I'd say.

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing that does bother me though, is when someone gives 0 warning when they had known for hours that they would have to leave at that time. For example, "Got to go after this pull, have a college class." or "Got to go after this pull, it's late and I have to work in the morning." When you give no warning in situations like that, then you are just being rude. Either they just aren't considerate, or they don't want to give an early warning in case you are able to replace them quickly and they miss out on that last 5-15 minutes of XP they could have gotten... which is also inconsiderate I'd say.

Thats exactly it.

If you can't act considerate, don't expect to get it in return. It's that simple to me.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You keep using extreme examples like strep throat

Keep using? That was my first goddamn post.

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Majority of people here aren't ER doctors playing in their office

You don't get to call me out for using an "extreme example" and then using one yourself in the next sentence, buster. Your whole argument is centered around this do-as-I-do motif:

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know if I have to leave, I look for a replacement and give a thorough heads up. It does not take much effort. Others can and should do the same.

So, my example stands. Strep throat.

Also, you need to (a) learn to communicate your demands better, or (b) listen to the lyrics of "Psycho Killer" and perhaps clue in to why this predetermined expectation of how people should behave puts you squarely into the narcissistic personality disorder segment.

[Yonkec]

You all seem to be missing the only real point in this thread. This is a game, but as real people are involved on the other end of those interwebs, treat this as you _should_ anything else in your life. That is, take responsibility for your own feeling and frustrations. If things do not go the way you personally feel that it should, well take the necessary steps to ensure that they do so in the future. Bitching and moaning passive aggressive like about how someone else wronged you is childish, naive, immature, and is not going to solve anything.

If you find that some people are assholes and dip out at a moments notice, there is nothing wrong with making a mental note and choosing option B next time you are seeking new group members. However, if you take no steps to explicitly clarify your personal expectations, and you ask no questions about each persons intents and schedules as the group progresses, you are the error in your own equation.

All I see here are people making up their own nonverbal rule sets, and then being offended when other players do not adhere to them. Is that not a bit silly?

/g Hey anyone need to head out soon? If so lets get a replacement inc now.

[lecompte]

Lemme share with you a couple quotes that I often referenced when leveling a ranger as my first class on the server. People often didn't want to group with me, for whatever reason -- maybe it will help you:

“The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow”
Thomas Paine

“Great minds have purposes; little minds have wishes. Little minds are subdued by misfortunes; great minds rise above them.” Washington Irving

[Tankdan]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, you need to (a) learn to communicate your demands better, or (b) listen to the lyrics of "Psycho Killer" and perhaps clue in to why this predetermined expectation of how people should behave puts you squarely into the narcissistic personality disorder segment.

We shouldn't need to communicate "demands" on people being a decent human being. Letting the group know when you need to head out is called common courtesy, it's a life lesson we learn. Treat others how you want to be treated. I'm not your mother. If you like people randomly leaving your groups by all means invite them again. I will pass. My goal here is to remind people that even though this is just a game, there are 4 other people depending on you to keep the group going, and a basic sense of communication goes a long ways. But as others have said ITT, decency is long gone for many.

[Erica]

People who know they have to leave but tell no one are probably the same people who block the whole aisle with their shopping carts while in the grocery store. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Atmas]

Has this actually occurred in any situation where it mattered? Someone saying they have to leave Unrest MR is a lot different than someone saying they have to roll out from Seb King.

As others have mentioned the player base is older, people have kids and families. Lots of people are just trying to sneak in some time to play. Worry about it when it matters.

[Magifyre]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who know they have to leave but tell no one are probably the same people who block the whole aisle with their shopping carts while in the grocery store. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice.