Why aren't rogues top DPS?

[Muzyn]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could see a L50 rogue with no haste or non-dragon haste (swirlspine / fbss) and a 10 dmg spear (including trident assuming the parser wasn't logging procs as well) doing sub 30 dps in Plane of Fear.... however, that is quite the scenario lol.

I don't think any of DAs active rogue mains are doing sub 30 dps 95% of the time.

Post a parse of a full Fear clear since the AC nerf.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Post a parse of a full Fear clear since the AC nerf.

I don't have one on hand since most of my logs were on my laptop which died on me recently - but next time I get a hour or two in fear where I don't have to pull the entire time I definitely will.

[Muzyn]

This is just getting retarded. I'm comparing pet dps to rogue/monk dps from the same trash clear. I'm sure you can find instances where a rogue did 70dps in a short fight or against a certain target. I'm sure I can catch the pet doing a retarded amount of burst damage too.

So to clear this up since you guys are trying to skew things in every which direction.

Shewz and I have claimed that our charms outdamage rogues on our raids.

We also mentioned of one mob that does 50% more damage than any other when charmed.

Both these hold true.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is just getting retarded. I'm comparing pet dps to rogue/monk dps from the same trash clear. I'm sure you can find instances where a rogue did 70dps in a short fight or against a certain target. I'm sure I can catch the pet doing a retarded amount of burst damage too.

So to clear this up since you guys are trying to skew things in every which direction.

Shewz and I have claimed that our charms outdamage rogues on our raids.

We also mentioned of one mob that does 50% more damage than any other when charmed.

Both these hold true.

I'm not trying to split hairs or anything - I'm genuinely curious. I do a lot of messing around with parsers and it is interesting to see other people's data. Hence why I'm asking for details like what mob and what not - since without that, it is really hard to compare another person's data to mine.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shewz and I have claimed that our charms outdamage rogues on our raids.

The claim was that charmed mobs out-damage 2-3 rogues/monks

Originally Posted by Shewz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Y'all are retarded, I do like 2-3 times more dps than any rogue or monk.

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Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We also mentioned of one mob that does 50% more damage than any other when charmed.

Yes, you did post that claim. How magic resistant is this mob? How often does it break mez? How quickly can it kill the enchanter when it does? Can you reliably use this pet on every raid versus a raid boss? Can you find anything similar to this mob anywhere else in the game? Are you afraid to post the name of the mob because it's game breaking and/or broken?

Regardless of whether or not you answer any of these questions, it had nothing to do with the point which was about reliable, consistent uninterrupted DPS.

Just because you tried to change the subject to that of your secret uber pet, doesn't mean that this is what the thread was about. You guys are the ones that started shooting off your mouths trying to sound EQ-uber...

[Muzyn]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The claim was that charmed mobs out-damage 2-3 rogues/monks


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Yes, you did post that claim. How magic resistant is this mob? How often does it break mez? How quickly can it kill the enchanter when it does? Can you reliably use this pet on every raid versus a raid boss? Can you find anything similar to this mob anywhere else in the game? Are you afraid to post the name of the mob because it's game breaking and/or broken?

Regardless of whether or not you answer any of these questions, it had nothing to do with the point which was about reliable, consistent uninterrupted DPS.

Just because you tried to change the subject to that of your secret uber pet, doesn't mean that this is what the thread was about. You guys are the ones that started shooting off your mouths trying to sound EQ-uber...

The more you guys mention how much faster a charm can kill the enchanter it makes me wonder if you ever bothered positioning for breaks. You can distance yourself to whirl before a mob reaches you, one of the other enchanters can whirl if they see you get hit. It's reliable enough to use on the entire clear and the bosses. Not sure what else you want me to say, other than to spoil it.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The more you guys mention how much faster a charm can kill the enchanter it makes me wonder if you ever bothered positioning for breaks. You can distance yourself to whirl before a mob reaches you, one of the other enchanters can whirl if they see you get hit. It's reliable enough to use on the entire clear and the bosses. Not sure what else you want me to say, other than to spoil it.

enjoy the old world enc dps phenomena while it lasts then. i am actually pretty impressed if your numbers (dps wise pet vs rogue) are legit.

[Lazortag]

Could anyone have predicted that a thread with such an innocuous title as "Why aren't rogues top DPS?" would have turned into such an unbearable shitstorm?

[Humwawa]

The mob they're referring to is Cleric of Innoruuk.

There are certain caster mob types that, when out of mana, have an absurdly high attack power compared to regular melee mobs. Cleric of Innoruuk is one of these.

Try this out -

Charm a dar ghoul knight, throw it at a Bloodthirsty. Observe the damage it deals and how long it takes to kill it.

Next, charm a kor ghoul wizard. Run it oom, do the same thing.

Do this for many, many hours, if you like. I can tell you what happens, though - the kor ghoul wizard pumps out a lot more damage than the dar, even though both mobs are in the same level range. Dars are typically 39-43, whereas kors are 41-42.

Caster mobs take more damage and have lower health values, but this rarely matters in a raid, or for an enchanter for that matter.