In Response, How many would start on a new blue server?

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the post again bud, i said OTHER THAN FROM NORMAL GAME PLAY, posts like yours confuse me when people respond and quote you and dont even fucking read it. Thanks again, safe travels.

my bad, somehow missed that.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my bad, somehow missed that.

no prob.

[Mehrk]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

You are stretching the truth quite a bit there. No one would deny that no-lifers would ruin any number of recreations, whether they be a wipe or a new server, but it wouldn't be as bad as blue currently is for a long time. The logic behind it? Just that - time. No matter how hard the neckbeards poopsock camps they can't magically inflate the economy 50x faster than it was done on blue. They certainly can't do it without all the exploits and overpowered gear they had access to for years. There are several relatively major changes that have been or could be made to greatly extend the lifespan of the economy as well. Bard kiting being marginally dealt with, Sro AC being nerfed, raid policy, account trades being banned, loads of gear that shouldn't have been in, tons of non-classic mechanics that were absolutely broken, etc etc. They could potentially make minor changes that would greatly improve the server's longevity as well. What the hell does farming seafuries bring to the server? 0% fun and 100% vendor generated plat. It bloats the economy with 50-100k every day for no reason other than Verant shit the bed. Implementing it doesn't do anything beneficial for the server, and if anyone whines "classic! classic! I miss my nostalgic seafury gems!" you can just grin knowing you screwed over a greedy lying bitch. And who doesn't love that?

As far as your "there is no spoon" concept of 'classic' goes.. My dad doesn't have a computer or internet.. does that mean the internet and computers don't exist? That argument makes no sense. Every time he leaves his house he has to have some interactions with something that is ran off the internet or computers. In the same manner, even if it is only related to the economy, a player who refuses to use kunark spells/gear/levels still has interactions with Kunark, and thus it is not classic. EDIT - Though I should say that I don't have a different opinion. Just because a bunch of people arrived late to the party doesn't mean blue should be wiped. I only joined a few months before Kunark, and while I do wish I could have enjoyed it more, I don't think that alone is reason enough to wipe/clone the server.

I'm not going to claim some arbitrary number of people want a new blue and therefore it's the right decision, but the reasons for it are simple, obvious and very much more logical than maintaining a broken, stagnant server that was ran with overpowered gear and numerous exploits for years. Not bashing any staff here. I didn't know stuff like sky gear/blue diamond jewelry wasn't in yet either, it's simply a fact that this is the way the server existed. Furthermore it's obviously not the staff's fault that the timeline is borked, but it's something else that could easily be fixed with a reboot.

Well.. not like I ever expect them to actually do any of this. Just hopeful wishing.

[Solb]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should probably play single player games then. No mmo will ever be rid of cheats/bugs/exploits.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. What if a new blue would have come out 1 year ago? The tmo dudes who were exploiting on blue until their recent bans would have been on the new server too. And then the appeal of a new server for all of you guys, a virgin economy and none of the previously-discovered bugs from blue and all that, would have been entirely ruined in just months. And if a new server started today? Yep. A few months from now it would already have duped plat and people who leveled with exploits and a stratified economy and level 1 rogue alts with ragebringers.

Give it up and just try to enjoy the best emu around.

^ Always angry. Sometimes, people disagree, and no one is right or wrong. Ever thought that maybe some people simply like different experiences than you, Tecmos? Maybe some people enjoy starting on a new server. Regardless of all the negatives you mention, there are lots of positives that you fail to mention when a new server starts up.

[baalzy]

I'm perfectly happy with the server the way it is. But I would also be happy getting a new blue. I'm also happy knowing theres a possibility of a new blue being brought online at some point after Velious lands on this server.

However there would definitely be major differences in the progression of a new blue server because of things that are known now about classic that wasn't necessairly known/implemented when the server launched in 2009.

The end-state may still be the same eventually but that would take several more years to reach again. Ultimately most people come to this server to experience things the way they were and having a restarted blue appeals to them because it starts that over again.

[HippoNipple]

Why do you want more players on blue, isn't it already crowded?

[Tecmos Deception]

I can't help but think, everytime I see people complaining that they want a new server because of all the things that were/are wrong with the current one, that they're just saying "this server isn't good enough and/or I want a better relative situation for myself by erasing everything the people who have been here longer than I have have accomplished."

"LOL THE GUY WHO IS RICH DOESN'T WANT A NEW SERVER GO FIGURE." Yeah. No fucking shit I don't want my characters wiped. No fucking shit I don't want a bunch of the blue players wandering off to a new server just as we are getting up near the same peak population the SMALLEST live servers had during Kunark. If you guys would accept blue as the amazing emu it is, flaws and all, and play the damn game instead of trolling forums and trying to blackmail the staff with "well i'd play p99 for sure if we had a new blue server!" and shit, you'd feel the same way.

Am I mad for saying everyone asking for a new server/wipe is dumb? Yeah. But am I madder than the people who have the audacity to make those requests instead of just enjoying the best damn emu around and being glad it is here at all? Nope.

You act as if it isn't an enormous part of "the classic experience" for there to be dupers and cheaters and exploiters and powergamers and quirky mechanics. No, I'm not saying these are good things, but I AM saying that trying to demand a volunteer staff shit out a fresh server every time some random player puts up a poll asking for one just because he doesn't like how chanters could level with whirl a few years ago but now he has to play his chanter legit today... I'm saying that's retarded. And it would be a cycle like that. Cause as soon as a new blue is out, SOMETHING would be wrong with it and players would be starting polls about how "should we re-release blue2 now before the damage gets worse? vote yes if you love eq, and vote no if you're a duper/exploiter/cheater lololol"

[Solb]

Well, I enjoy this server immensely, and did not start from the beginning. I also would enjoy a new server to start up.

I think that Rogean and every dev who does work on it really do more than they get credit for. We the players forget the work so many people put into it who get no credit. It's very easy to forget this, and to get unappreciative. It's also easy to develop a sense of entitlement.

I just feel like saying thanks to those people who give us the opportunity to be angry, or happy regardless over such discussions as this one. in the big picture, just be thankful.