Sirken+Deru v Rogean on server rules

[Erati]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is from a time when Plane of Sky wasn't even open, and there were only 2 guilds capable of clearing Fear and Hate. The fact that people still quote this as gospel in trying to claim that they should control a zone is beyond retarded to me. Obviously I'm not advocating shitting on some guild's planar clear for armor, but in the case of racing for a contested raid mob, to try to invoke this is plain stupid. I see it happen repeatedly.

you didn't even quote the right quote....

I was referring to his explanation about training, I wasn't talking about the 'don't be a douche" in the planes text

but its w/e

[quido]

That's what I was talking about. Ya moran.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what I was talking about. Ya moran.

so Rogean's explanation about the dangers of 'training' is outdated?

news to me, it seems it still is widely applicable to most zones that contain monsters that chase you :P

[quido]

I was only referring to the quoted rules from early 2010, not the rest of it

learn to read ya moran

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because someone chooses a certain location doesn't make them less of a victim when the other person could've just as easily been somewhere else themselves.

Like, you have the right to stand in the middle of the road, and cars legally are supposed to yield to you, because they could just as easily be somewhere else.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like, you have the right to stand in the middle of the road, and cars legally are supposed to yield to you, because they could just as easily be somewhere else.

What third world hellhole do you live in where cars aren't required by law to yield to yield to pedestrians?

[quido]

Why don't you quote to me a single instance of that particular "rule" ever being enforced in the ~1000 times it could have been?

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[Yibz]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's get something straight, any guild can play and proceed upon the game how they wish.

That being said the plane of fear is a pretty large zone there are plenty of places to set up, but also plenty of places to train. There use to be 3-5 full raid forces in there without these problems persisting and yes COMPETING.

So what has changed you asked? Server staff and the attitudes of players.

Neither of which can blame each other for their actions because both can do/act how they want in game to a certain extent. There are rules in place for a reason and just like in real life there is a hidden moral compass. If you so choose to cross it than expect to get punished or atleast viewed as a scumbag, if you so choose to operate within its confines expect to get ridiculed by those looking to exploit it.

Regardless of which side you are on, both sides can avoid the "grey" area between each other even if in the same zone.

As Rogean said, it is pretty stupid to kite a train around another group of players especially if you know they are there after weeks of NO RAIDING and discussion as to the new set of rules.

Just because someone chooses a certain location doesn't make them less of a victim when the other person could've just as easily been somewhere else themselves.

Next time CT is up you show me the plenty of places that you can kite, Lam. As it's already been explained repeatedly, you aggro a golem, draco, or CT and you eat a DT.

I'd be willing to bet I've kited fear for a CT raid more times than anyone currently playing on the box. I've already admitted to kiting a little too close to their raid.

After zoning in I saw they were in zone. I got aggro almost immediately so I ran around the opposite side of the zone in portal - obviously picking up quite a few mobs in the process. I saw the A Team Monk out there pulling - I assumed looking for a draco tag. I ran another lap and saw a faction message (meaning a mob they had just killed had previously been aggro'd on me). I made a turn and saw half my kite heading straight at me so I had to swing wide to avoid them. I believe this is where Rogean said he saw me running too close to their raid.

What I think happened: I think one of the A Team's pulls intersected my train at some point, transferring aggro. This happened well before I kited anywhere near their camp. Once I realized they had aggro I attempted to run my kite North but in that process I was summoned and killed. Obviously not intentional. Unfortunately I don't have a Bladestopper to attempt to pull aggro back (this is why we still kill naggy, not to "cockblock other guilds".)

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Yibz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Next time CT is up you show me the plenty of places that you can kite, Lam. As it's already been explained repeatedly, you aggro a golem, draco, or CT and you eat a DT.

I'd be willing to bet I've kited fear for a CT raid more times than anyone currently playing on the box. I've already admitted to kiting a little too close to their raid.

After zoning in I saw they were in zone. I got aggro almost immediately so I ran around the opposite side of the zone in portal - obviously picking up quite a few mobs in the process. I saw the A Team Monk out there pulling - I assumed looking for a draco tag. I ran another lap and saw a faction message (meaning a mob they had just killed had previously been aggro'd on me). I made a turn and saw half my kite heading straight at me so I had to swing wide to avoid them. I believe this is where Rogean said he saw me running too close to their raid.

What I think happened: I think one of the A Team's pulls intersected my train at some point, transferring aggro. This happened well before I kited anywhere near their camp. Once I realized they had aggro I attempted to run my kite North but in that process I was summoned and killed. Obviously not intentional. Unfortunately I don't have a Bladestopper to attempt to pull aggro back (this is why we still kill naggy, not to "cockblock other guilds".)

I think the obvious solution is to provide all bards an unlimited charge bladestopper upon hitting level 60. It's the only way.

[Yibz]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just like someone would go out into a busy highway because they see traffic would apply the same to someone NOT training because they see a raid force that they may effect...



I know the mechanics of the zone and encounters. If you aggro a golem or draco the cycle begins it doesn't necessarily begin with who aggro'd it as Aeolwind pointed out isn't within the script. From what i also understand is the cycle is currently not operating like it should, which is why CT has rapid DT's upon engage.

If you read what i wrote i didn't banish your strategy at all. However, as you know from what you said and Rogean's quote you ran the risk of getting punished by your own actions. There isn't set in stone the fact that you HAVE to train in order to succeed there, it's all in the choice of tactic.

If you feel there aren't many places to train especially with other people in zone, then use a different tactic or you run the risk of punishment with these new rules.

Kiter that aggro'd CT/golem/draco is always the first person to get DTd. There's no such thing as a DT cycle. It hasn't worked that way for months.