Here's your chance to influence LnS

[Rallyd]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think everyone understands that you are least likely to receive any discretion from GMs on any issue. Since you are unlikely to benefit from any interaction with GMs you prefer that others get banned instead of warned.

The server would benefit from GMs banning less people and warning more, and I would place the health of the server ahead of satisfying the needs of one angry forumquestor.

Incorrect, I just said in a previous post nobody should ever get banned for LNS violation. STFU and QFT if you're not retarded.

You want warnings? Fine so do we, but not discretion based, first offense warning? fine got it.

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incorrect, I just said in a previous post nobody should ever get banned for LNS violation. STFU and QFT if you're not retarded.

You want warnings? Fine so do we, but not discretion based, first offense warning? fine got it.

When presented a choice between discretion warning and ban, you chose ban because you don't trust the GMs to exercise discretion. I would say if a GM feels a second warning is warranted, I would rather they give it (even to Tune) rather than reach for the ban/suspend hammer. Due to recent events, your guild is highly unlikely to benefit from such discretion but I think over all the server would.

[Gustoo]

How about people have to turn in PVP book to priest of discord?

Just kidding.

Post these rules in the red99 rules section not just in this forum.

[runlvlzero]

I especially like the part about people needing to call it. And the grace period. Seems like were moving the the right direction.

However not much is said about the punishments/severity of punishments for violations (they will happen, even by accident with care). What is the policy for punishment? Will people in trouble for other types of infractions have LnS violations used as the "Last strike?". I know it's commonsense to be careful, not break rules, and get in a situation where a GM feels the need to permaban upon a LnS violation. but it seems like habitual rule breakers who are trying to straighten out and break LnS shouldn't be punished that much.

[Koota]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When presented a choice between discretion warning and ban, you chose ban because you don't trust the GMs to exercise discretion. I would say if a GM feels a second warning is warranted, I would rather they give it (even to Tune) rather than reach for the ban/suspend hammer. Due to recent events, your guild is highly unlikely to benefit from such discretion but I think over all the server would.

You have, on more than one occasion in this thread, directed your posts or input purely with the guild you don't care for in mind. This is the kind of mentality that we are trying to get fucking rid of with the PnP to end all this bickering bullshit. I'm not exempting anyone in this statement but you are one of the reasons this kind of thread needs to be posted. This is a video game, drop the fucking gloves for a second and be an adult

[Rallyd]

Originally Posted by Koota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have, on more than one occasion in this thread, directed your posts or input purely with the guild you don't care for in mind. This is the kind of mentality that we are trying to get fucking rid of with the PnP to end all this bickering bullshit. I'm not exempting anyone in this statement but you are one of the reasons this kind of thread needs to be posted. This is a video game, drop the fucking gloves for a second and be an adult

Couldn't agree more, GM discretion should NEVER be a part of the punishment for LNS. EVER.

[freez]

TOO BAD STILL BANNED


NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP



HEHE

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

if you die, call LNS in /ooc within 5 minutes of your death and then go and get your corpse

only the people that were involved in killing you must grant you LNS

people should be allowed to assist others in LNS and be protected by the person who died's LNS call(rezzing them, dragging their corpse, summoning their corpse, porting them to/from where they died, etc.)

guilds should be able to call LNS for their entire guild in /ooc following the same guidelines above

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Couldn't agree more, GM discretion should NEVER be a part of the punishment for LNS. EVER.

GM discretion will always be a part of all punishments, situations, and petitions. This will never change on red or blue.

Originally Posted by Herb9

You should keep your ego in check

Originally Posted by Herb9

now you are admitting that the original rules were both poorly reviewed and not at all researched

These two statements seem to contradict each other.

Originally Posted by Herb9 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I want to know is who spanked you that you are now considering input?

I've been considering input on these rules since they were implemented, and have stated as much publicly in this forum.

Originally Posted by Herb9

You've abused position, shown terrible incompetence in understanding real pnp vs baiting and rule lawyering

You should see how many red dawn/azrael petitions I've ignored in the petition forum on Nihilum PnP violations for lack of evidence or clear rules lawyering. Want to know how many people I've punished for PnP violations? 2. And I watched both of those happen. Want to know how many red players I've banned from the forums? 1, tomatoking. So how am I abusing my position again...?

[Koota]

Originally Posted by COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you die, call LNS in /ooc within 5 minutes of your death and then go and get your corpse

only the people that were involved in killing you must grant you LNS

people should be allowed to assist others in LNS and be protected by the person who died's LNS call(rezzing them, dragging their corpse, summoning their corpse, porting them to/from where they died, etc.)

guilds should be able to call LNS for their entire guild in /ooc following the same guidelines above

I like this idea, but I don't. This might encourage alt griefing on your first point. And there is grey area for those that claim "I didn't participate in killing you". I think you have the right mind set but we nneed to eliminate the grey