Good Trio?

[Clark]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I have a 60 Necromancer! Don't use it often though anymore.

They mana feeds are nice, but you could argue a second cleric for slot 6, or another Enchanter with a hasted/dual wield pet to out dps the Rogue even.

[sox7d]

shadowknight, paladin, ranger. whambo.

[Teppler]

When I say mana regen I mean the necro's own lich. Necros can use that to nuke with deflux or massive undead nukes on top of high level pets that DPS along the lines of monks with the hp of warriors. Has to make Mages and Wizzies cry that Necro's make better nukers than them. Or for slower, multiple battles there's the best DOT's in the game next to Shaman who are already in your group.

Granted some of that stuff are higher level but necro remains high utility even from a lower level.

[Malone88]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hrmm, this point has merits, but I am incredibly lazy and like to concentrate, as an enchanter, on dps and control myself. I hate slowing as it takes my mana.

I'd argue to replace the cleric with a shaman, and here's why:

1) Malo - good god malo. I'll trade 'better heals' for 'my charm lasts longer' any day of the week. It's mana intensive and dangerous to recharm. My chance of dying goes down as you bring down the number of charm breaks I have to deal with

2) I already stun, and I don't need a clerics stun. PBAE stuns are the shit. If my mob breaks i should be runed/bedlamed (or the younger version of bedlam, been too long) and ideally my stun will be off before it chews through it. If I can't handle a mob thru that stun , well... maybe i shouldn't play enc.

3) slows. shaman slows make mobs a joke, and they require me to have one less spell necessary on my hotbar to free it up.

4) runspeed - SoW is king. This is mitigated by jboots, but, do you have 21k for you and your friends?

5) passive regen - if i'm doing my job right, passive regen will top me off - shaman shouldn't need to heal me all that much.


As to the SK - I'd prefer a monk, but that's solely from a DPS point of view. I understand how versatile SK are.

All that to say, I think the real choice is enc/enc/enc.

IMO, easy access to rez outweighs all this. One death with your group and serious time wasted finding a rez.
Tash vs Tash+Malo on re-charm is a nominal difference.
Most pre-50 mobs don't need to be slowed with cleric and good tank.
Can get SoW from "easy to find" druid who ports us [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monk vs SK...So much time and mana wasted on rooting everything with monk tank.

Enc/Enc/Enc -- One of those players not up to snuff and group wipes consistently.
No margin for error without heals and same problem with rez.

SK Shadow Vortex ftw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Mandalore93]

Bard is a solid switch from sk. With a charmed mob dps won't be an issue and the shaman should be able to melee. Bard utility is just so great. mana will never be an issue and crowd control more than will probably be necessary unless you have a whole zone pulled on you.

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I practically solo'd my necro 1-60 and I never once had trouble getting a port.

/who druid 34 50(60)
/who wiz 35 50(60)
then just send a polite tell for the ones that don't appear to be in xp zones for their level.

throw some plat for their effort and you're golden and if you're like me you'll use the same few porters to build a "partnership."

These people should have no problems with plat as they already have a mid 30s druid who can advertise ports for plat.

Can't believe I have to tell people how to get ports...

If you want the absolute most efficient "trio", for killing a particular mob, druid may be a poor choice. If you want a group in a particular spot in a particular zone that never stops killing, wizard may be a poor choice. But if you want a trio that is streamlined, keeps moving, and can start up as soon as you log on, it can be nice. Honestly, you are a bit ignorant for thinking otherwise. The OP sounds like they would lean more towards my initial statement, given their aspirations. Not to mention the time you save a bit later down the road being able to track and/or port/evac out of a sticky situation, rather than dying or capping and running back.

And before you mention it, yes, being a druid (at a higher than average skill level), that did 1-3 man groups 99% of the time from 1 to 60, I am biased. But I would probably put my duo XP I did on my way to 60 in the top 5-10% of people leveling at that time. I've definitely killed some challenging mobs as well in duo and occasional trios. Maybe not as efficient as clicking torpor repeatedly with a tank, but if you don't suck it's pretty doable.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your advice is to solely play a port class in the off chances that you may not be able to find a port when you want to get to a dungeon quickly or at an odd hour. In that case, I don't know why everyone doesn't just play a port class.

None of what you said makes any sense to me, it's absolutely ridiculous to me to base your group make-up around being able to port at odd hours or instantly.

You are misunderstanding. Archalen was not suggesting that porting at odd hours or instantly is the only reason to have a porting class in your party, just as a major benefit. He is simply pressing the manner because people are arguing against it for ignorant reasons or just not understanding. Having a high efficiency group with little time wasted is very beneficial. Honestly, when I started playing there was more of a benefit to having a porter due to the lesser and lower level server population. Though it absolutely still has it's benefits.

[Archalen]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your advice is to solely play a port class in the off chances that you may not be able to find a port when you want to get to a dungeon quickly or at an odd hour. In that case, I don't know why everyone doesn't just play a port class.

None of what you said makes any sense to me, it's absolutely ridiculous to me to base your group make-up around being able to port at odd hours or instantly.

If nobody wants to play a port class then it's settled. And judging by the comments I would say they are leaning towards not bothering with one. But if one of three people is willing to play one, then I am saying to take advantage of that.

I know how life is with a porter by your side- it's a different playing experience. You have quicker access to even hard to reach zones; you don't have to sit around waiting for a port, or a porter to run to you. This can open up possibilities that you wouldn't bother to explore without an easy port at hand. As someone mentioned, you might lean towards playing the same zones over and over; if you want variety, this could create a stale experience. I could go on and on.

And about your advice on "building a partnership." It's easier to cultivate and maintain these kind of relationship when you play a lot and see the same people online over and over again. For a group of players who are casual it's more difficult to maintain relationships.

[Archalen]

Lol, hi Contemptor.

[Xelris]

Everything else aside you should totally try Mag - Mag - Mag. I've always wanted to.

And there was at least one server that brought down AoW with nothing but level 60 mages shitting out pets.

[contemptor]

Originally Posted by Xelris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything else aside you should totally try Mag - Mag - Mag. I've always wanted to.

And there was at least one server that brought down AoW with nothing but level 60 mages shitting out pets.

Mages change significantly in terms of their small-group usefulness once they get the epic pet. Unfortunately that is not very common on this server.