A Plea for Sanity

[Labanen]

I like the first post, essentially a call for the players to work out rules to play by so pnp can be more in the spirit of pnp than the current petitionquest which is fast eating away Peoples motivation to log in at all.

Maybe the time isnt right, as illustrated by troll posts by both sides, while 100 % ignoring what the OP was on about. Maybe some day time will be right, i hope anyone still play by then.

[Dacuk]

first off, thanks to milkshake for helping rez some red dawn CRing in seb earlier today. class act whoever that was.

nizzarr has too much ego / internet tough guy act going on to act civil, and hates HB too much to work any sort of compromise i think.

my proposal would be for mass pvp would be simple: LNS can only be called by a guild, not an individual. until the lns is called by a guild officer in OOC, anyone is fair game no matter what. once lns is called, nobody can attack anybody from either side. the best way to enforce this is by having guild leaders holding their people accountable with DKP / raid suspension penalties imo.

no way this would ever happen though, don't think the playerbase here is mature enough to drive accountability, so will need to stay in the hands of the GMs.

[Labanen]

Milkshake is milkshake, returning red veteran and all around good guy.

[Platexchange]

On live when major 72 on 72ish battles started we killed everyone even the naked opponents until the guild leader threw the white flag. Then opposing guild would send in clerics Rez and guild left. Never had an issue with that formula

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Dacuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

first off, thanks to milkshake for helping rez some red dawn CRing in seb earlier today. class act whoever that was.

nizzarr has too much ego / internet tough guy act going on to act civil, and hates HB too much to work any sort of compromise i think.

my proposal would be for mass pvp would be simple: LNS can only be called by a guild, not an individual. until the lns is called by a guild officer in OOC, anyone is fair game no matter what. once lns is called, nobody can attack anybody from either side. the best way to enforce this is by having guild leaders holding their people accountable with DKP / raid suspension penalties imo.

no way this would ever happen though, don't think the playerbase here is mature enough to drive accountability, so will need to stay in the hands of the GMs.

I don't think this would work because nihilum never would call LNS. We saw this in classic with nagafen. They just continue to make it a war of attrition until you log out in frustration at spending eight hours to kill nagafen.

To nizzars point, the draggers weren't on lns. I have no issue letting people not on LNS help CR their guildies for as long as it takes and to Rez up and even med up tbqh, as long as it's with the understanding they have surrendered the engagement.We aren't going to let your monks and rogues not on LNS and your clerics not on LNS help cr in the zone if your members like spectre are still currently killing our members in the same zone. That doesn't mean we'd break the rules and attack the actual people on LNS. It's simple, surrender and you will be allowed as much time and assistance as you need as long as you don't interfere. No timer count downs or anything like that.

Also, Kergan playing white knight card despite fact I openly responded that I would welcome mature dialogue with no response from team nihilum .

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like the first post, essentially a call for the players to work out rules to play by so pnp can be more in the spirit of pnp than the current petitionquest which is fast eating away Peoples motivation to log in at all.

Maybe the time isnt right, as illustrated by troll posts by both sides, while 100 % ignoring what the OP was on about. Maybe some day time will be right, i hope anyone still play by then.

You guys don't agree with PNP, Kergan is a nobody, Nizzar is still griefing people, tune calls us all trolls even though he roams the world 16 hrs a day with an OP character farming lowbies/exp groups.

Nihilum has set the tone, they have had the physical power to change how the box since forever, now that the GM's enforce a PNP you're acting like it needs to be a logical discussion.

How about when Heresy was planar trash corpse camped, as well as their guild bind. What about Force, what about Red Dawn getting corpse camped. If there was no PNP would you guys be following Red Dawn now griefing/CCing them?

That is why no one is taking Kergan seriously.

[Stasis01]

I think you guys need to take a deep breath and embrace this instead of trying to bend and stretch each situation, like my cleric can LNS but he can't res me before scooting.

You guys still act like faggots even with PNP in place, ugh.

[chu]

blahblahblah seen red dawn rez freshly yt'd kids to just join back in the fight in lil ol' guk, can only imagine what kind of abuse of the rules they pull for a dragon

[Stasis01]

It's true, and that needs to be addressed/thought about - but after all the res/rejoining bullshit happened it led it's way into one main fight, of about 30 Nihi vs about 50 of us (not going to give Elderan #'s we had an advantage) plus all the good sharknado guys/azrael guys/RD everyone's kinda A-team for the server united.

We won the main fight, killed most of the Nihi, about 10-15 made it out and locked down LS killing naked people and preparing for a battle of hours, even though we just won.

I think that's the GM's plan - assemble, fight, and It's over. I guess Nihilum did good with the other style thus they are upset, but TBH I like it and hope people give it a shot. I don't want raid mob contesting to equal hour and hours of dragging shit out, it turns into a waiting game and a game of who can handle shitty boring time waste better.

Either way, we took control of Solb by killing MANY Nihi and we weren't nit picking on who came back, Kina was one for sure, but really we killed quite a few. The main fight had all of Nihi, and all of us - was a cut and dry win.

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

stopped reading at applicant to nihilum

part of the problem not the solution