With all due respect, Sirken, you're no Solomon.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chest, you're being a baby. If I were in your guild I'd be railing at you to get out of the negotations or shut your mouth, because frankly you're embarrassing BDA. And you can cry and call me a cheater or a bully all you want, but the fact is you're holding up the negotiations by being a greedy little whiner with an enormous chip on his shoulder, and everybody sees it.

You wanna call me greedy? Fine. I'm greedy. But I've got news for you: we're all greedy. You wanna call me a competitive jerk? Fine. I freely admit that I enjoy being in the top guild and pushing as hard as possible to down the most raid mobs.

But entitled? Get fucking real.

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Also BDA has the most people online for any guild across the entire server 24/7. That isn't Tier 2 I'm sorry.

[Andervin]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A better analogy would be:

Server staff sets up a dogfighting ring. Guilds are the dogs. Only the most vicious and relentless dogs get enough to eat (loot). Dogs fight for three years. After the first year, one top dog emerges that is a freaking machine at killing the other dogs. He ends up getting almost all of the food, and he hoards it, burying stockpiles everywhere and rewarding other dogs who join his pack. Every now and then a good challenger comes along, but for the most part it's a one-dog show.

Then the server staff comes in one day and decides that they're tired of the noisy dogfights, blames the whole debacle on the dogs, and now all the dogs have to figure out how to divide the food, or all of them will starve.

Conveniently ignored is the fact that there isn't enough food for all the dogs to eat their fill.

Well said. It took me about 2 months of playing here to realize this place isn't worth investing the time. Some day they will have a temper tantrum and pull the plug. No thanks. Have fun, I'm out.

[myriverse]

Someone please shoot me the day I start thinking of mobs/loot as food.

[Melissa]

wtb revamped planes...

[radditsu]

Wtb sex for pennies.

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtb sex for pennies.

Send pics pls

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Send pics pls

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[goshozal]

Hmm. Your avatar pic is misleading. If you were more like the guy with the stache in the helmet, we could talk.

I really do look just like Benny Hill, btw.

[Aaron]

Every proposal presented so far seems to be favorable to casual guilds.

It seems like BDA specifically wants more than the others.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every proposal presented so far seems to be favorable to casual guilds.

It seems like BDA specifically wants more than the others.

Uh what?

BDA has primarily been arguing on the raid forums on two fronts:

1) That whatever plan is concocted, that casual guilds (non-TMO/IB/FE) should have a fair allocation of epic mobs, so that way someone doesn't have to go into a type of hardcore raiding they dislike to live out their nostalgic dreams of earning an epic.

2) The staff's plan should be the focus, and negotiating should be concise based on fixing the issues with that plan, rather than proposing new proposals to counter proposals from other counter-proposals to original proposals.

Further, it was elaborated numerous times that BDA has little issue discussing and coming to arrangements with the other casual guilds on rotations, or other policies of friendly raiding to make the raiding scene more enjoyable and accessible for those in the Tier 2 position.

The idea behind the Staff Plan is to separate the guilds into Tiers, Tier 1 and Tier 2, in which all mobs (other than VP), as they die, swap to the other tier. So if a Tier 1 guild kills CT, then the next time CT spawns, Tier 2 gets to kill it. if Tier 2 takes too long to kill it, then it becomes FFA for Tier 1 to claim. As it is written on the main proposal, once CT goes back to Tier 1, a separate guild needs to claim it.

A reasonable issue with this was brought up by FE, in that if FE+IB kills CT, and then a Tier 2 guild kills CT, it comes back, it now must be TMO, which creates a rotation. I am certain absolutely no one on the Tier 2 side would have any issue allowing Tier 1 guilds to make all kills on the Tier 1 side FFA, and by whatever rules they want.

The point is that Tier 1 players (hardcores) should be allowed to play in a hardcore way with their share of the mobs, plus all of VP (with VP, and the chance at far more kills being the main motivation to become a hardcore raider), while Tier 2 raiders (casuals) should be able to commit to friendly raiding on their half of all VP-mobs.

The vast majority of the kills (I believe it was 4-6x more, equaling out to around 2 mobs per day all month for the hardcores to fight for, and 1 kill a week for each guild in the casual) is with the competitive side. But the casual side is assured to be able to make up their own system of rotation, or play nice policies that include epic mobs so that a casual player can earn their epic without joining a type of raiding they feel is toxic, or without paying the top guild that has those mobs on lock down.

Sorry, I don't see that as greedy, I really don't. Hardcores get to exist within a hardcore sphere of players, and casuals get to exist within a casual sphere of players. If a guild wants to work their way up and get a lot more kills, they can join TMO/IB/FE, and any other guild that wants the higher amount of kills (4-6x), and play on hardcore raiding terms. In other words, let the hardcores hardcore, and let the casuals casual.