Sirken's proposal

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holy shit, reading comprehension. you said you were giving things up, i pointed out that were not not in fact giving things up. and (SPOILER ALERT) you are only GAINING. the only people actually having things taken off their plates are the T1 guilds. how you feel about it doesn't make it less true. you might hate it, it might think it sucks, but facts are facts.

I've just grown very weary of the standpoint adopted by many of the "Tier Ones" which is: If you don't want to play this game that we made up and bolted on to EQ, then you just want handouts and treasure baths...

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... and you do not deserve to have these encounters or reap the rewards.

A quip from the staff that basically reads "You can't lose it if you never had it" seems to support that sentiment, and I find it irksome...

If it's really just pointless semantics, then fine ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[radditsu]

Its got a spreadsheet/caleandar, I like it

[Daldaen]

I fail to grasp the argument that hours tracking and the ability to muster a raid force at all hours, is described by the word "effort".

These guilds are still tanking, healing, DPSing the raid mobs. The mobs are getting slowed and debuffed, pulled and CC'd. People are still having to Rez on wipes and rebuff.

Blue is PvE. They are putting in the effort to beat the NPC Environment the game places before them.

The raid environment is a player created phenomena. Suggesting people don't deserve pixels from the actual NPC environment because they don't enjoy the same player driven competition as you, is foolish.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I fail to grasp the argument that hours tracking and the ability to muster a raid force at all hours, is described by the word "effort".

These guilds are still tanking, healing, DPSing the raid mobs. The mobs are getting slowed and debuffed, pulled and CC'd. People are still having to Rez on wipes and rebuff.

Blue is PvE. They are putting in the effort to beat the NPC Environment the game places before them.

The raid environment is a player created phenomena. Suggesting people don't deserve pixels from the actual NPC environment because they don't enjoy the same player driven competition as you, is foolish.

I don't turn on my PS3 and play call of duty and ask for all guns, skins, power ups, etc the second I turn it on. People who have been faithful to the server and have played since 2010 (like myself) will ALWAYS have an advantage because they've put more time into the game. This is about trying to share with people without buttfucking those that have been around a long time or are more interested in the hardcore gaming style.

Read this post:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...25#post1254125

[Dirkus]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't turn on my PS3 and play call of duty and ask for all guns, skins, power ups, etc the second I turn it on. People who have been faithful to the server and have played since 2010 (like myself) will ALWAYS have an advantage because they've put more time into the game. This is about trying to share with people without buttfucking those that have been around a long time or are more interested in the hardcore gaming style.

Read this post:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...25#post1254125

The problem with your analogy is that there aren't a limited number of guns etc to go around. People with full time jobs and families can still obtain these things but at their own pace. On P99 you have to be hardcore to even have the chance at these pixels.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Dirkus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with your analogy is that there aren't a limited number of guns etc to go around. People with full time jobs and families can still obtain these things but at their own pace. On P99 you have to be hardcore to even have the chance at these pixels.

Until now. Now there is a chance for those with families and responsibilities to obtain them, in every single proposal.

Oh wait. Only the ones which take the most from FE/IB and TMO are acceptable.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't turn on my PS3 and play call of duty and ask for all guns, skins, power ups, etc the second I turn it on.

This is a bad example, they aren't wanting to be level 60 epic BiS once they hit the create character button.

instead think of cod, you get exp per kill for those guns if you had to sit and wait 10+ hours to find one guy to kill to get that exp, doesn't that seem a little extreme?

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't turn on my PS3 and play call of duty and ask for all guns, skins, power ups, etc the second I turn it on.

So your CoD guns are contingent on you winning every single match? Or can you still get those guns if you lost every single match you ever played (it would just take longer)? How does you getting guns stop your clan-buddy from getting guns? Also, when you play CoD, you can attack your enemy to reach that objective? Or do the two sides just run at the objective and stand next to it together?

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your CoD guns are contingent on you winning every single match? Or can you still get those guns if you lost every single match you ever played (it would just take longer)? How does you getting guns stop your clan-buddy from getting guns? Also, when you play CoD, you can attack your enemy to reach that objective? Or do the two sides just run at the objective and stand next to it together?

It's fine, bad example and you're not focusing on the point.

Plus, this proposal above in this thread is 110% equitable and should be agreed upon.

I'm a hardcore gamer, I don't love this proposal, I don't even like it that much because it's reserving more mobs that I can't touch in a month. I WANT to go gangbusters on all those mobs and tell you to eat a dick.

But I'm not. I'm suggesting that guilds who want more content take MORE of the raid mobs in a month than I will compete for and the participants of Tier 2/rotation don't have to do more than know the spawn time and show up. It's not perfect for anyone, but it's fair.

Originally Posted by daldaen

In call of duty, generally speaking, you are competing against other players. So not a great comparison. Even then, your inability to log in at all hours or spend 10 hours spamming 1 button... Doesn't hinder your ability to achieve 99% of that stuff. On P99, those inabilities or unwillingness from casual players, does stop you from getting most all raid gear, and epics from dragons/raid mobs. Without paying plat or RMTing for it.

People aren't asking to be handed the gear, just given the chance to fight for it without having to wake up at 3 AM or log on mid afternoon at work. Or track for 24 hours. They just want a chance to be able to log on every week and fight A dragon. Not all 20 raid targets. But one or two.

In what regard are you (as a high end raider) getting buttfucked? You keep VP regardless of what happens, that's 6 dragons every week. And I think most of the plans that have been proposed suggest you would retain over half or about half of the non-VP raid mobs. So you keep the majority of the content split between 2-3 guilds, while the other 8-10 guilds split the other half. I think the time/reward there is fine.

Like I said, you're not focusing on the point. Additionally I said we don't want to get buttfucked, not that we would be. This proposal is more like anal beads than a stright up anal gang bang. Focus on the proposal and provide feedback. Azure Guard has already said that this sounds equitable, hows by you?

[Mezzmur]

Ok. How about getting an FBSS. Camp frenzy or farm pp?

Now you're given a free shot at frenzy already spawned with some items and no interference.