Bandwagon Proposal Thread. - Page 8

Argh · #1 12-31-2013, 05:08 PM

Best proposal as of yet

Autotune · #2 12-31-2013, 05:11 PM

The thing I see about this, is that FE/IB/TMO would just do a gentlemen's agreement to leave VP targets up until they agree to compete for the less desirable targets.

While Hosh and PD would probably be high desired targets that would be immediate races.

It wouldn't be the first time this type of agreement was instituted.

Spitty · #3 12-31-2013, 05:15 PM

Just hearing the word "agreement" in this context is a step forward.

My humble opinion is that this proposal be refined and submitted. Raids commence as usual whenever this suspension is up, and any residual kinks that arise should be addressed with the same diplomacy that is becoming more and more common here.

Ain't that decent enough?

Handull · #4 12-31-2013, 05:19 PM

The one thing you are missing Alarti, is GMs need to also drastically shorten the mob windows. If GMs really want to support the player base, they should even make the server-agreed-rotation mobs variance free, and make the competitive mobs have variance (obviously there is no easy fix button for this, but it wouldn't be too much work). They should keep the extended window feature, to continue to help curb the urge to late window sock (if you truly know the last possible spawn time, its hard to not want to sock the last few minutes). If we are really serious about agreeing not to poopsock and DA stall, than there is no reason to have such long variance. If a 7day repop mob had a 24 hour total variance window, many other guilds would be able to track and compete for it, and mobs like Trakanon would have even short windows, making them even more appealing. Allowing the guilds that just want free loot to get *some* free loot (notably more than they are getting now), and making it worthwhile for other guilds to start tracking. If they do that, and we all agree to something similar to your OP, then we can all have fun for the relatively short time we have to wait for Velious.

GMs have put into place so many insane roadblocks that prevent guilds from getting along. 3(?) years of Kunark, 96+hour windows for raid mobs, etc. If we are really going to agree to play nice, they need to drastically reduce variance so other guilds can actually compete. Telling another guild to come compete on CT right now is insane due to the learning curve of the encounter and the long time commitment just to see his name on Track, let alone try to mobilize and get a shot at the mob.

With the current system, any non-rotation mobs that FE/IB and TMO agree not to engage will almost surely go to BDA, who is the next biggest guild and has the greatest ability to track a mob for 96+hours straight. (notice I said 'non-rotation' mobs)

Happyfeet · #5 12-31-2013, 05:20 PM

Does anyone else think Rogean is getting paid to fuck with us and we're all on some sort of neckbeard Truman Show?

I think we're all being watched.

Tasslehofp99 · #6 01-01-2014, 06:39 AM

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Does anyone else think Rogean is getting paid to fuck with us and we're all on some sort of neckbeard Truman Show?

I think we're all being watched.

LOL

Alarti0001 · #7 12-31-2013, 05:30 PM

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The one thing you are missing Alarti, is GMs need to also drastically shorten the mob windows. If GMs really want to support the player base, they should even make the server-agreed-rotation mobs variance free, and make the competitive mobs have variance (obviously there is no easy fix button for this, but it wouldn't be too much work). They should keep the extended window feature, to continue to help curb the urge to late window sock (if you truly know the last possible spawn time, its hard to not want to sock the last few minutes). If we are really serious about agreeing not to poopsock and DA stall, than there is no reason to have such long variance. If a 7day repop mob had a 24 hour total variance window, many other guilds would be able to track and compete for it, and mobs like Trakanon would have even short windows, making them even more appealing. Allowing the guilds that just want free loot to get *some* free loot (notably more than they are getting now), and making it worthwhile for other guilds to start tracking. If they do that, and we all agree to something similar to your OP, then we can all have fun for the relatively short time we have to wait for Velious.

GMs have put into place so many insane roadblocks that prevent guilds from getting along. 3(?) years of Kunark, 96+hour windows for raid mobs, etc. If we are really going to agree to play nice, they need to drastically reduce variance so other guilds can actually compete. Telling another guild to come compete on CT right now is insane due to the learning curve of the encounter and the long time commitment just to see his name on Track, let alone try to mobilize and get a shot at the mob.

With the current system, any non-rotation mobs that FE/IB and TMO agree not to engage will almost surely go to BDA, who is the next biggest guild and has the greatest ability to track a mob for 96+hours straight. (notice I said 'non-rotation' mobs)

BDA has mentioned rotations many times in the past. Now is there chance to live up to that. If not we can add a stipulation to the Tier B mobs, maybe kill limits etc. That is entirely up to Tier B raiders to decide.

Autotune · #8 12-31-2013, 05:23 PM

I got it, keep it the way it is and then make it so that on repops CAT A guilds must clear VP first before competing for nonVP targets.

Handull · #9 12-31-2013, 05:25 PM

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I got it, keep it the way it is and then make it so that on repops CAT A guilds must clear VP first before competing for nonVP targets.

since we haven't seen a server repop with two tier a guilds and no training in vp, i can't say for sure, but i'd bet fe/ib and tmo would start in vp at least for PD, and then likely keep pulling mobs in there, unless we already had a force camped at some other target that we could log in quickly after PD died, and then resume VP mobs.

Autotune · #10 12-31-2013, 05:33 PM

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since we haven't seen a server repop with two tier a guilds and no training in vp, i can't say for sure, but i'd bet fe/ib and tmo would start in vp at least for PD, and then likely keep pulling mobs in there, unless we already had a force camped at some other target that we could log in quickly after PD died, and then resume VP mobs.

Then there should be no problem agreeing with this.

It needs to be a rule.