OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Ecguy]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So we're to take from this that this is the official new set of rules unless TMO and/or FEIB agree to another proposal? Despite them getting all of VP and 3/4 of Trak/VS/etc? This proposal is pretty much garbage, and it's pretty frustrating to see a GM propping it up before it's clear whether anyone outside of FE/IB (one raid, one voice?) and TMO are buying it.

Getting? They still have to compete. It's not a perfect proposal, but it's decent.

[Ecguy]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you guys all need to agree on something. As per Sirken's post, if an agreement isn't reached by the 2nd, everyone is raid suspended until you do.

We aren't going to 'sanction' anything until everyone is in agreement.

I am curious what constitutes everyone. That would be pretty important for continued discussion.

[Bossman]

Deru, what happened to majority rules as per Rogean?

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you guys all need to agree on something. As per Sirken's post, if an agreement isn't reached by the 2nd, everyone is raid suspended until you do.

We aren't going to 'sanction' anything until everyone is in agreement.

But that is infact exactly what you are doing sir, by letting people who do not raid dictate to people who do raid; they gain nothing by agreeing to any kind of terms.

[Bossman]

This proposal effective lets BDA, Div, Taken, and others compete solely against each other once a month for Trak. Assuming a three way split, how long would it take a guild to get VP keyed? Assume a 3 way split or VS...how many epic/year is that?

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you guys all need to agree on something. As per Sirken's post, if an agreement isn't reached by the 2nd, everyone is raid suspended until you do.

We aren't going to 'sanction' anything until everyone is in agreement.

OK, thank you. Realized how rude my post was after I submitted, so thank you for your polite response.

Would the GMs consider an agreement without TMO and/or FEIB's approval if BDA, Taken, AG, Europa, Divinity, etc. are all on board? Seems like at this point, FEIB and TMO might pull some Republican bullshit and shut everything down if we don't agree to their terms.

[Autotune]

I just want to state one thing for the guilds that are clearly upset with this. If a large amount of guilds who already aren't getting raid targets don't like this, veto it and if the big 3 aren't willing to budge on this, they will be the ones losing targets.

The majority of the server already aren't getting raid targets, so in a way you have been raid suspended for the past few years. You guys have the upper hand here, don't let this blindside you and force you to make a rash decision by agreeing because there is the raid suspension deadline.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK, thank you. Realized how rude my post was after I submitted, so thank you for your polite response.

Would the GMs consider an agreement without TMO and/or FEIB's approval if BDA, Taken, AG, Europa, Divinity, etc. are all on board? Seems like at this point, FEIB and TMO might pull some Republican bullshit and shut everything down if we don't agree to their terms.

Honestly let them. These "elites" will be far more hurt from not raiding than us casual scum.

[lilyanna]

Just want to clarify something, because right now there is an assumption on this thread it seems that FE and TMO are the only two "top tier" guilds involved. That is actually not the case, IB and FE work together, that does not mean that FE speak for IB and I am sure that is not how FE would expect it to be interpreted either [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[williestargell]

It'd be advantageious to the "b" guilds to have the priority target list be as large as possible. Take those mobs off the list and there's virtually nothing that the big boys are declining to kill during their week off.