Weighted Point Value System - Serverwide Raid Idea Thread

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know why. Because the extremes at which competition exists for mobs against the big guilds currently requires Taken to maintain a non-stop poopsock of Innoruuk over his entire spawn window if they want him. I know my guild doesn't find that appealing at all. Can a representative of Taken please describe the toll that is taking on the people in the guild that are doing that?

If you try to engage Innoruuk on equal footing with the top dogs, (aka port up at the same time or even before them), they simply train up to Inny, then train Inny and everything else back down to the ZI to kill him there. (complete and utter BS tactic btw and should not be allowed)

It doesn't matter that they may wipe in the process, because the resulting train will wipe all other competition too. While said competition is trying to recover corpses, they continue to pull Inny with everything in his path down to ZI. Once again if they wipe it doesn't matter, because it wipes those now trying to recover their corpses. The train is the insurance policy so that if they screw up on the engage, nobody else can kill him either.

Spent close to 4 hours one Saturday morning just trying to recover our corpses at the ZI because said top dogs could not risk anyone else getting a shot and kept training Innoruuk to the ZI. The multiple wipes made it pretty obvious that they couldn't kill Inny this way with their current force, but they kept at it until we gave up on even our own corpse recovery. We can't win Game of Trains. We were not even a threat anymore. We just wanted to loot our bodies and leave. But they would not stop

That led to the current environment of how we get Inny. There is no way that we can compete otherwise. I personally do a lot of the tracking up there and a server environment that has made these kind of measures necessary is BS. Im glad things are hopefully changing.

[jaybone]

so what happens when 5 more raiding guilds come along? Were going on a 3 year delay for an expansion that was out 8 months after Kunark. This server needs wiped and started over.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what happens when 5 more raiding guilds come along? Were going on a 3 year delay for an expansion that was out 8 months after Kunark. This server needs wiped and started over.

This would help if everyone wanted to level up again. I been here for a year and highest lvl is 58. I don't think I could start all over.

[Yinikren]

The system accounts for that - guilds that are serious about raiding can wait a predetermined (by the server) amount of time to be eligible for points per week. This prevents splinters from big guilds or the bob guild from showing up out of nowhere to fuck with raids. They wanna raid, they join a guild or they earn it.

[justin2090]

I think epic related mobs need to be rotated and shared. That would pretty much nix the animosity between casual and hardcore. New people to the sever usually ask about epics and how easy/hard they are to attain. Get money or live epicless is usually the answer.

If you want to sock, camp alts/mains at targets, or fill guild bank with fat loots then your not really a casual guild anymore. After all this whole thing is about how casuals can't commit the time to be competitive but still want to experience classic eq (motto on p99 home page)

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

This also applies to hardcore guilds as well. Hardcore guilds wouldn't enjoy a casual approach to the game. The epic mobs would give the casuals roughly 50% and the remainder would be the hardcore guilds 50%. Also, I'd be willing to bet 95% of the mains in TMO have their epic which leads to..

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Ultimately your going to have to share mobs. The question is which mobs do you share?

[Tyym]

I think epic related mobs need to be rotated and shared. That would pretty much nix the animosity between casual and hardcore. New people to the sever usually ask about epics and how easy/hard they are to attain. Get money or live epicless is usually the answer.

If you want to sock, camp alts/mains at targets, or fill guild bank with fat loots then your not really a casual guild anymore. After all this whole thing is about how casuals can't commit the time to be competitive but still want to experience classic eq (motto on p99 home page)

This also applies to hardcore guilds as well. Hardcore guilds wouldn't enjoy a casual approach to the game. The epic mobs would give the casuals roughly 50% and the remainder would be the hardcore guilds 50%. Also, I'd be willing to bet 95% of the mains in TMO have their epic which leads to..

I have an idea. Why don't we all also sign up for Obama care and go on welfare because 10% of the people who work their asses off make enough to foot the bill for everyone else who doesn't want to work for what they get.

Morphius

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Tyym [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have an idea. Why don't we all also sign up for Obama care and go on welfare because 10% of the people who work their asses off make enough to foot the bill for everyone else who doesn't want to work for what they get.

Morphius

Clearly a basement dweller here. No one with an actual life can commit to raid mobs. We're not 14 years old and in high school anymore. You need to reread Rogeans post or did you fail reading comprehension thanks to classic EQ. Just in case let me explain it differently for you..

The admins... are tired... of your bullshit.

[Yinikren]

Morphius is always going to be a bit angry about these sort of agreements because they don't benefit his guild. I wouldn't pay much attention.

The idea behind my point system is that epic mobs would cost enough that a guild couldn't down all of them in a week. I think its the best option for getting multiple guilds to engage epic mobs that doesn't involve a rotation/hand me out, which no one really wants. We still want to compete for mobs, just limit what the biggest guilds can take each week.

[Tyym]

Your right Justin, what was I thinking. Ill just go kill myself.

[Amirite]

this is not a bad idea..

the points (as stated) would need to be looked at and agreed upon.

but i do not see why this would not work..

clean up this thread of all these repetitive replys from people who did not read it..
or repost it with a poll imo.