Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Splorf22]

Again, why are people so against repops? We know Nilbog likes them. On a repop everyone can compete to their hearts content.

The current attitude of the staff is like dumping 20 people into a small room and telling them 'don't step on each others toes'.

Repops would be fantastic in Kunark and truly epic in Velious, and we just saw from Rogean that they can be accomplished in like 2 minutes of commands.

So what is the fucking downside?

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like the first of the month idea. First of the month raid mobs get left up for 24 hours, excluding vp, trak, vs. If a guild starts winning lots of actual raid targets under competition, they get added to the uber list.

I wanted it to be a week just to make it easy so we dont have to keep timers on everything. For example sometimes there would be 1 CT spawn in a week, sometimes 0, sometimes 2 - depending on variance.

As far as the lower guilds go - YES if BDA oversteps too much for example, and gets 15 dragons say - then they will also be added to the no kill list. Then theyre off the same week as tmo/fe/ib and then other guilds who are not typically able to kill as many dragons would get more chances - IE even the super low play casual guilds would potentially have a fair shot every other month at a mob or two

[Nirgon]

Alarti offers a fair solution. Inb4 Derubael doesn't think so too.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wanted the big 4 you had all the time in the world to demonstrate you want of those targets by showing up and competing for FTE. Your level of desire isn't backed up by your commitment/effort. To demand that TMO/FE/IB needs to rotate on the targets they really need with people who want to put in 1/10th of the effort is asinine at best. Getting half of 7 dragons/gods for free is beyond fair. The rest you can compete for imo.

BDA has killed gore on a few occasions, and had a hand in some VP kills as well. If they can demonstrate that now, I would consider them an "elite" guild.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, why are people so against repops? We know Nilbog likes them. On a repop everyone can compete to their hearts content.

The current attitude of the staff is like dumping 20 people into a small room and telling them 'don't step on each others toes'. Sure you can blame the retard who immediately whips out his switchblade and starts going on and on about competition, but its not an easy situation.

Repops would be fantastic in Kunark and truly epic in Velious, and we just saw from Rogean that they can be accomplished in like 2 minutes of commands.

So what is the fucking downside?

Downside.. when would they repops happen? What about our euro players...
I love repops.. most fun to be had on the server. Too many repops devalues effort and items also. (not the biggest deal) but do we really want another 100 VS's before Velious? Repops won't solve everything either. The people getting 90% of the mobs would still be TMO/FE/IB and the trash would be cleaned up by the other entrenched guilds Taken/BDA/Div.

[lazcar]

Alarti' solution is not good enough.. MAybe if it had been offered up a year ago but it has been a monopoly for too long.. Now that change is possible why settle for so little?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, why are people so against repops? We know Nilbog likes them. On a repop everyone can compete to their hearts content.

The current attitude of the staff is like dumping 20 people into a small room and telling them 'don't step on each others toes'.

Repops would be fantastic in Kunark and truly epic in Velious, and we just saw from Rogean that they can be accomplished in like 2 minutes of commands.

So what is the fucking downside?

Nobody that plays the game hates repops. It has everything to do with a technical limitation at the moment. Rogean had to do it manually. An agreement that requires the staff to do a ton of technical things, before velious drops, is not something attainable. You need to concentrate on solutions that can be implemented now.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA has killed gore on a few occasions, and had a hand in some VP kills as well. If they can demonstrate that now, I would consider them an "elite" guild.

Being an "elite" guild on this server has nothing to do with your ability to kill mobs. By your definition The A-Team would be an "elite" guild; I'm sure we could kill Gorenaire if we could be bothered to all get resist sets and had time for a clean engage during our prime playing times etc.

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wanted the big 4 you had all the time in the world to demonstrate you want of those targets by showing up and competing for FTE. Your level of desire isn't backed up by your commitment/effort. To demand that TMO/FE/IB needs to rotate on the targets they really need with people who want to put in 1/10th of the effort is asinine at best. Getting half of 7 dragons/gods for free is beyond fair. The rest you can compete for imo.

The point is you're still trying to lockdown content that you've been killing for 3 years now. Is it REALLY that big of a deal to let some other people play the game? Button mashing VS for 72 hours is not playing a game. There is no "big 4" the mobs are all the same with 32khp and all suck.

You brag about 200 Trak kills...can't let ~10 a year go to other people?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by lazcar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alarti' solution is not good enough.. MAybe if it had been offered up a year ago but it has been a monopoly for too long.. Now that change is possible why settle for so little?

I would like to honestly know how BAD TMO was hurt with the suspensions and their ability to mobilize, etc etc. But we can't unless we see them raiding. Rogean wants something agreed upon before they come back. The fact that they would offer mobs at all is amazing compared to a year ago. You maybe could get some gains pressing them, but a 40-50% dropoff for raid kills for them is a big deal.