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Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of out control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whatever, we will brush our shoulders off and come back in 2 weeks to continue to steal all your loot for 4th alts.

bitches

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent.

So far as you are led to believe -- or would like the rest of the server to believe. Again, in the infamous words of Alarti...

Prove it.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of out control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

Blanket? 86 fucking people were banned for cheating, not 3. It's far from a blanket statement.

And you want to talk about unfair? Monopolizing content for 2+ years is unfair

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of our control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

with all due respect, we banned accounts, not people. if your account was banned it was because dirty cheaters were on your account, and you are responsible for who you let on your account. petition forum, and be grateful that they arent all perma banned.

[Nagash]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of our control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

You seriously want everyone to believe that TMO wasn't aware of what was happening? I for one don't. Knowing this should have been reported. Deal with it.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of our control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

Actually the sabboth was a saturday, and it was a Jewish law not god's law.

[Gaffin 3.0]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was. We all preach we want classic, but it seems to me that people only want classic for what they see fit. It's like people saying "Gay people shouldn't get married because it says in the bible only Man and Woman should marry", but in the very same breath, they go to work on Sundays. Its contradicting. Classic was mobs spawning 3/7 days a week +/- 6 hours at MOST. Having 4 day windows for Innorruuk is absolutely absurd in every facet of the manner, and creates a raid scene where almost nobody who has a real life has time to participate in. Tmo gets the blame for this, but it is out of our control, and if my server history is correct, it wasn't TMO who started sitting at Naggy 24 hours early trying to enforce the first raid in force rule.

Troll away fellas, but I am deeply saddened by this unjust action against 84 accounts that are perfectly innocent. Looks like I'll be on another server for 2 weeks.


Sincerely,
Detoxx

cry like a little bitch that you are lol, this is so funny. your guild got outted as cheaters not just 2 people done this and i think rogean should have seriously just deleted the guild

[Babayaaga]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just want to say I this is very unfair Rogean. You want to raid suspend us, fine. You want to ban the people that were cheating? Great, I'm all for it. But what you have done here is made people like me and several others appear to be cheaters. I am not, I never have been, and never will. Making a blanket statement like that is very unfair, and I am very disappointed in the way this was handled.

I've spent countless hours here raiding, farming, and making friends. And now I, and several others, are lumped into a cheating category I deserve no part of. I thank you for what you do here, but this should be reviewed and dealt with properly. This ban now and ask questions later mentality is unjust at best.

Every player has a choice as to whom they want to align with (guild). By the time you are high enough to apply to raid content guilds, you have a good idea of who they are, what their reputation is, and what they have to offer you.

When you join a guild, you adopt their reputation <just by wearing their tag>. While I'm sure there are many awesome people in TMO, unfortunately their reputation as a whole precedes them.

Ultimately, players weigh the negatives with the positives when they make this choice. It seems clear to many people that TMO has had only one thing to offer. It's natural that you will make friendships within your guild environment, but you all made choices to align with an organization that did not have a positive reputation to begin with. That is the risk you all took, and now share in the consequences.

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, regarding changing the raiding scene here. I agree. It clearly isn't the best method, but guess what...that's the way classic EQ was.

I played on the "ghetto" server known as Xegony and while there were contested arguments often, I never experienced what goes on in P99. I attest that largely to the fact that accounts cost money to buy and run (package cost + subscription), and the fact that Verant/Sony had larger customer service pools to work with.

The cause of this ban is the result of this problem, which is that operating multiple accounts is cost-free. Because of this, it is simple to create a new account, level a toon to 60, deck it out, then share the access information with many people and perma park it at <insert raid target here>.

THIS is why TMO monopolizes raid targets. It has nothing to do with the "classic" idea that the more you put in, the more you will get out. This is bending the rules to ones favour, and activities such as plat duping and RMT and/or plat-purchasing gear and accounts only makes matters worse.

Get it now?

What may seem unfair to you is quite obvious to many other people who follow the rules and regulations of Project 1999 to a "T".

I also personally believe that there are too many mouths to feed for the crumbs of content available. I do NOT, however, think that improving that situation would cure what has been going on. Something has to change, and hopefully, this is the first step.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should not have given out your account info. End.of.story. He (they) are being lenient with a 2-4 week ban. Your account was not hacked, you deserve no mercy.

I am not banned, although you're post here further proves my point that i'm trying to make.

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blanket? 86 fucking people were banned for cheating, not 3. It's far from a blanket statement.

And you want to talk about unfair? Monopolizing content for 2+ years is unfair

You are clearly uninformed. It was 2 people that had access to to nearly everyone's account that got banned, as was stated in OP that only the accounts owned by these 2 people will remain permanently banned, others are just suspended.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hurr derrrr a couple people in guild with access to a large number accounts means everyone is hacking and duping omzorz they stolz my megahurtz too


fucking retards.

most of us are pissed that we had members doing this shit, and we'd like to move on past the bullshit and keep on trucking as a guild. We are an easy target to get mad at, and sadly we had some people who were complete idiots who now drag our name deeper into the mud. Whatever, we will brush our shoulders off and come back in 2 weeks to continue to steal all your loot for 4th alts.

bitches

high hopes for the future :/