Bumamgar

[Starklen]

Originally Posted by Bumamgar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention, since the person who posted those rules has been "banned" I disregarded that whole thread till yesterday when folks explained to me that those were the rules people were following in game.

I've read them, and frankly I think they are an overly complicated mess.

I anxiously await Nilbog's update to the official server rules.

However, until that time, I'll simply allow communication with opposing raid forces and fair play to dictate my actions in game. It's worked so far, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to overly complicate things.

You talk a pretty big talk for a speck of piss on the server toilet seat. Weren't you banned from SoD for cheating? Should we disregard everything you say because you were banned?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I've only been skimming this thread, but it's pretty clear to me that you guys are trying to call Bumamgar out for his guild failing some type of Roll Call? As far as I can see, theres no such rule in the server rules about a roll call, so every single point you make about that, is irrelevant.

That's what I was saying in my post referring to what Nilbog stated.

How can player-driven rules be supported, then said to be irrelevant? It only means that the problems that arise with any ruleset must be addressed by the staff rather than the playerbase.

That just creates more work for you guys, because it entails having any clarifications having to be addressed by staff, versus player rules.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I've only been skimming this thread, but it's pretty clear to me that you guys are trying to call Bumamgar out for his guild failing some type of Roll Call? As far as I can see, theres no such rule in the server rules about a roll call, so every single point you make about that, is irrelevant.

You are quite right, there is nothing about the roll call in the server rules, however there are good reasons to follow the player made rules as outlined in my recent post:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=12993

God help the guild that wants the technicalities of the server rules enforced on them..

[Xzerion]

The player made rules were agreed on by the guilds who were present when they were made. That said, if another guild doesn't agree to them then that's completely fine. That's what the server rules are there for. I personally find it hard to believe that anyone in the raid scene today does not know about them, but you can also chalk that up to IB's fault I guess for assuming and not checking with WI.

As for today, it wasn't worth the shit-storm that would have ensued with pushing the issue so we just issued the normal warning. They killed it, grats to WI. The only real issue I took with today's happenings was if WI was abiding by the server rules then the raid should have been at the raid target, like the rules say...not at the ledge by fire giants. (Read below before killing me on that one).

If a raiding guild on this server is going to be following the server rules I think that "at the raid target" needs to be more clearly defined. The entire reason these player rules were created was due to perceived gray areas in the server rule set, particularly with where is "the raid target"? Is it a designated pull spot? Is it on the spawn loc? I perceive it to be on the spawn loc, but others feel different, and thus you have a gray area.

Once the camping BS started I thought the easiest thing to do would be to bail on the player rules and go with the server rules again, and I said as much. I don't think you can ever eliminate the possibility of camping in Everquest but at least if your not sitting at a safe spot it will actually require people to play the game more then once every 2-3 days. However, without that clarification as to where a raid has to be in order to lay claim, we are still stuck because every guild will have a different perception of where that is. Hopefully Nilbog's amendment will give some clarification to the entire situation that we are in. But in the meantime I see this as a potential problem unless every guild can agree on where you need to be if the player rules are going to not be followed.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Xzerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that "at the raid target" needs to be more clearly defined.

We're gonna clear that up pretty soon.

[Rogean]

I did not sticky it. Usually I try to stay uninvolved with that drama though.

[Chicka]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not sticky it. Usually I try to stay uninvolved with that drama though.

It is also the only set of raid rules referenced in the Server FAQ in the library.

[Reiker]

Did anyone post the screenshot of Bumamgar's whole guild getting getting banned from SoD yet?

[yaaaflow]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did anyone post the screenshot of Bumamgar's whole guild getting getting banned from SoD yet?

this sounds like a fun story can I hear more?

[Atennu]

Zithax did on our forums actually.