Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Wrei]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your guild had a posting stating that the ONLY reason you were poopsocking was because DA did it, thus making both guilds bend the rules. you guys didn't favor the camping situation then and actually preferred a race to targets with tracking, what's changed? Furthermore, the argument isn't about time invested, it's about effort put in. As things stand now, time spent in a zone afk does not equal effort, and if you really think that time = effort than you're delusional. Up until your members left and you've been recruiting these new applicants you didn't even bother clearing planes. You'd quite comfortably sit behind firewall or at ledge, or ZI in hate and just track until it got there, while other guilds around you were actually actively clearing.

As of right now, there's only 1 difference between your guild and one of the guilds you consider to be putting in less time, and that's the willingness to go afk in a zone for 5 days straight. It's pathetic that you're grasping onto it as if it's the only thing you have left.

Not sure what your trying to imply here... we all hate camping except DA. They clearly explained to us that given the choice of racing and pooping, they'd rather poop for the betterment of their guild while giving the finger to the rest of the server. The moment DA stops pooping, I honestly believe camping will stop. So instead of arguing on things we'll never see eye to eye (casuals vs dedicated), why not focus on the fact that it's 1 guild not 2 that is causing the poop effect.

[Humwawa]

Why turn this into a crusade? If this was a politically-bent rotation server, there'd be rabid outcries from folks that their vision of EQ involves heated, drama-infused races to engage a boss before their rival. I'm sure there'd be a similar argument behind FFA servers - a FFA server can dominate content just like a political server, and are those complaints valid?

It's not my job to propose a change to the system - I'm not an officer, and my own personal views on the subject should be well known by now, and they've been known to my guild's leadership for months now.

It is your job to propose change instead of merely insulting the parties involved. Your zealotry gets us nowhere.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why turn this into a crusade? If this was a politically-bent rotation server, there'd be rabid outcries from folks that their vision of EQ involves heated, drama-infused races to engage a boss before their rival. I'm sure there'd be a similar argument behind FFA servers - a FFA server can dominate content just like a political server, and are those complaints valid?

It's not my job to propose a change to the system - I'm not an officer, and my own personal views on the subject should be well known by now, and they've been known to my guild's leadership for months now.

It is your job to propose change instead of merely insulting the parties involved. Your zealotry gets us nowhere.

Sorry, but your guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution at all is a point of discussion and has been for months now, you need only look at the post above you to confirm that.

I don't want to complain, I actually proposed things and gave input, but when it's guild policy to say "screw that, we don't care" then it's ultimately the guild's demeanor itself becomes a matter of discussion.

[Humwawa]

Then I suppose the entire purpose of this thread is simply to complain, yes? That isn't at all the purpose of this thread, by the way. I'll say it again - Supreme is trying to change the way end-game raiding works. That's the point. The entire point. You're just trolling the crap out of DA, and I'm sure that's getting you somewhere.

Also, not one DA officer has yet to post here. I'm sure they will.

[Buhbuh]

The way I see it, currently, with only old-world there's bound to be a pretty nasty discourse on the subject of getting raid mobs, especially considering that there's like 5 targets to choose from: Phinny, Inny, CT, golems, hate mini's, Nag, Vox. Kunark presents a lot more diversity, especially on a class to class basis (epics mini raids).

I will say that I generally lean toward the PvP solution and the best way to contest/ ultimately settle something is...I think you get where I'm going. Those battles are always good memories between people and always hours long, but someone gets the mob. =p

[rioisk]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I guess keeping a force of 15+ in a zone for days doesn't constitute as time invested? Time we could be using to play our characters and get rich/have high-level fun, but instead we sacrifice this time in order to get chances at the best loot in the game. No, its not fun, but its what we must do to get what we desire most.

You people either have less desire or less ability or both, so don't go blaming others that you cannot get anything done currently, cause I know damn well basically nobody is trying.

rotation < poopsocking < first to engage

Less Ability. I lol'ed

[Buhbuh]

I'd personally call 15 people sitting, literally doing nothing in a zone for days people who forgot to actually play the game that they're logged into. =p That'd be like watching the stock market rise and fall but less exciting.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, but your guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution at all is a point of discussion and has been for months now, you need only look at the post above you to confirm that.

Ask Ektar, or Xzerion about "[his] guild's complete disregard for open conversation and unwillingness to see a resolution... etc"... I think they'd disagree. You really have no idea what you're talking about guy.

Originally Posted by Wrei

All sorts of stuff

I'll tell you exactly what I've told other people. No one is forcing anyone to camp mobs. Let me emphasis this - YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, STOP BLAMING US. Our actions should not dictate yours. Just because we are willing to afk 15 players in a zone, doesn't mean that you have to aswell. You guys make the decision to camp, just as we do. I'm so sick of hearing people blame DA for camping... am I the only one who realizes how ridiculous it is for an entire group of people to say that they do something they hate only because another group of people is doing that thing as well?

ITT A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT.

[rioisk]

Personally I just think it's funny when guilds like IB/DA talk about being the best players as if their ability to sit AFK and wait for a text message to kill a mob that is 100% no fail somehow flags them as the elite of the server.

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[Buhbuh]

Yeah, R'tal is a whore with that Rakusha. I guess with no way to actually contest mobs with people, their's justification in sitting around in zones waiting. Doesn't mean it isn't boring as shit though =p.