Pig points stungun @ dudes dog, so dude unloads his shotgun into pigs chest

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well there are a number of ways that can be taken....

I recognize that society has let itself become managed by police, and that if I do not submit to their authority (whether I think it's valid or not, which I don't) I will go to jail, and I generally tend to stay out of jail......

I do not recognize the authority of any governing body to represent me. representative politics can kiss my ass.

I do recognize the power of consensus, and have and will change my behavior in order to comply if that is the way of things. this can be applied to any situation from a consensed-on ROE set out by a general assembly for a specific protest, to saying please and thank you at the dinner table.

there are even more way that can be taken, and i feel that you're being purposefully vague on purpose to Ackbar me into saying something you can use to further your gotchya-style argumentation. if you want to know how I feel about something, I'm an open book and have no issue talking about it, but you will need to be more specific about what you're really asking.

i'm more wondering if you played out the logic of your thinking because what you mention with this isn't an anarchist who acts consistently (you'll also get to your nickname princess impotency). i don't know about cali cops but there's been multiple times that i've encountered police officers in houston and spring and talk my way out of my for certain DUI's, possession charges, and PI's. was just respectful to their authority. sounds like you don't want to play the game and have a bit of paranoia because the citizenry far outnumbers the police officers who are citizens who have voluntarily taken up certain tasks for a salary. step back from your generalizations for a bit, and then see if you can do a ride along with some cops. their job is insanely boring and filled with paper work.

[Hasbinbad]

I'm not "an anarchist." I'm not even sure such a thing is possible. The only way I've ever seen anarchy in action is within the framework of a state, so I am necessarily ignorant of how it would actually look in the absence of a state. This is why I say anarchy is a state of mind. It's a principle more than anything, that can guide how you make decisions and how you see the world. I know a lot of people might disagree with me, and that's their right, and a lot of those people will have valid points, but that's the way I see it. To me, anarchy has to do with autonomy, agency, and respect.

I am however a realist, and I do know that I need to jump through hoops to get through the world. I drive a car. I get pulled over. I'm polite through mental gritted teeth to pigs, because I know if I'm not they're gonna find the roach in my ashtray.

None of this has to do with politics. It's how I see and interact with the world.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not "an anarchist." I'm not even sure such a thing is possible. The only way I've ever seen anarchy in action is within the framework of a state, so I am necessarily ignorant of how it would actually look in the absence of a state. This is why I say anarchy is a state of mind. It's a principle more than anything, that can guide how you make decisions and how you see the world. I know a lot of people might disagree with me, and that's their right, and a lot of those people will have valid points, but that's the way I see it. To me, anarchy has to do with autonomy, agency, and respect.

I am however a realist, and I do know that I need to jump through hoops to get through the world. I drive a car. I get pulled over. I'm polite through mental gritted teeth to pigs, because I know if I'm not they're gonna find the roach in my ashtray.

None of this has to do with politics. It's how I see and interact with the world.

why the gritted teeth? they got a job to do like anyone else. do you agree with the principles of the tea party? they're very much akin to what you've said. also this:

an·ar·chy
ˈanərkē/Submit
noun
noun: anarchy
1.
a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
"he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
synonyms: lawlessness, nihilism, mobocracy, revolution, insurrection, disorder, chaos, mayhem, tumult, turmoil More
antonyms: government, order

absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

it's always been a politically associated word

[Hasbinbad]

I do know what the dictionary definition of anarchy is, but I flatly reject it as biased from a state perspective.

The only real way to learn about it is if you talk to some actual anarchists with nuanced analysis and/or read hella books. It's at the same time much simpler and much more complicated than that definition, which is about as 13-year-old-playing-vice-city-version-of-anarchy as it gets.

[Hasbinbad]

here is a good start, which is still not enough, but gives you a lot of rabbit holes if you're actually interested:
http://www.spunk.org/texts/intro/sp001633.html

[JayN]

Princess QQ's so hard in this thread hope her lil tranny estrogen penis wasnt rustled to badly.. its ok go back n play with your anime dolls im sure youll find more children to abuse

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do know what the dictionary definition of anarchy is, but I flatly reject it as biased from a state perspective.

The only real way to learn about it is if you talk to some actual anarchists with nuanced analysis and/or read hella books. It's at the same time much simpler and much more complicated than that definition, which is about as 13-year-old-playing-vice-city-version-of-anarchy as it gets.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me, anarchy has to do with autonomy, agency, and respect.

did some reading at that site, work in a library after all, and there's a lot of holes in those defining arguments. the central idea of the individual's autonomy is essentially how societies formed anyway because it doesn't take a genius to understand safety in numbers. i refer you to the south park episode "die hippie die". same kind of reasoning is going on there, and a damn 4th grader calls them on their bullshit. the idea sounds wonderful but is unrealistic in that it depends upon an operating notion of everyone involved having the same morality. monoculture does nothing to enable growth of a person. humans learn best through conflict, but you operate wanting a sameness (you're anti-cultural-relativism statement earlier in the thread) which means you're just as impotent as my hypothesis stated. princess impotency i leave you with this:

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[JayN]

cant believe that red-necked faggot from TX did you like that HBB.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did some reading at that site, work in a library after all, and there's a lot of holes in those defining arguments. the central idea of the individual's autonomy is essentially how societies formed anyway because it doesn't take a genius to understand safety in numbers. i refer you to the south park episode "die hippie die". same kind of reasoning is going on there, and a damn 4th grader calls them on their bullshit. the idea sounds wonderful but is unrealistic in that it depends upon an operating notion of everyone involved having the same morality. monoculture does nothing to enable growth of a person. humans learn best through conflict, but you operate wanting a sameness (you're anti-cultural-relativism statement earlier in the thread) which means you're just as impotent as my hypothesis stated. princess impotency i leave you with this:

You said I said autonomy, and that was correct, but everything else you said are not things I said.

If you want to discuss a particular "hole" in logic based on your reading of the very introductory page I linked, I suggest attending an anarchist bookfair and asking an anarchist, which I am - as I said - not.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said I said autonomy, and that was correct, but everything else you said are not things I said.

If you want to discuss a particular "hole" in logic based on your reading of the very introductory page I linked, I suggest attending an anarchist bookfair and asking an anarchist, which I am - as I said - not.

you're claim of anarchy isn't relevant because you think it is. i made no claim of you saying those, but made a claim of unrealistic notions at the core of anarchy's structure. you're cartesian impotency is more blatant now than anything with your thinking that i only read the introductory page of the website.

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